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Which Pickup Configuration should I get for a Gibson Clownburst Finish LP Standard

Zebra Bobbins
1 (25%)
Reverse Zebra Bobbins
1 (25%)
Brushed Nickel Cover
0 (0%)
Cream Open Bobbins
2 (50%)
Tyger Cover (with nickel or black screws.  I prefer Black)
0 (0%)

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Author Topic: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)  (Read 11557 times)

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2013, 07:51:19 AM »
unless your gibson is a sleeper Skrull agent like yourself (ha! I'm reading the Secret Invasion, so I know it, Skrull! 8)), I don't see any relation with the mahogany density with what you're not liking about it
it's just normal that a les paul pickup sounds completely different from the bridge, espacially in your situation, considering the rebel yell bridge and neck models have completely different specs
maybe the pickups just didn't match your tastes for this particular guitar

if you want more push and thickness without switching to ceramics, there's the nailbomb and the holy diver
I'm not sure a riff raff on the neck will fix your problems... maybe a neck holy diver

HA!  Is it bad that I had to google 'skrulls'?   8) 
Well, I find it bizarre that certain models of Les Pauls all have different tonal characteristics depending on how they are constructed  (Chambered vs Solid Body heavy vs Solid Body Light vs Weight Relieved)  but that is neither here nor there.   Regardless of the cause, the end result is that the pickups aren't quite doing what I want them to do.  My playing style has evolved and I have acquired a new #1 amp so I am trying to adjust my pickups to better accommodate how I approach the guitar as a player.  My needs are to be able to switch between the neck and bridge pickup to go from open, phat, warm, and articulate --WITHOUT being boomy-- to thick, crunchy, focused, and generally pissed off.   The bridge Rebel Yell is just a bit too thin with not quite the output I need while I'm perfectly happy with the neck pickup and really LOVE it.  The problem is that as I try and turn up the gain / bass, the bridge pickup phattens up but then the neck pickup gets muddy and boomy.  A thicker, slightly deeper, and more pissed off bridge pickup means I can back off the gain and bass slightly which will remove the booming from the neck pickup. 

(The only thing that makes me sad is that the Rebel Yell is absolutely mind blowingly good with my Recto.  If I was to tailor this guitar specifically for that amp, I'd swap the neck pickup and leave the bridge as is.  Judging from some Roadster / Nailbomb clips, I won't be losing any ground at all from the switch)

To me, moving to the A-Bomb bridge makes a lot of sense as it has a lot in common with the Rebel Yell but is a bit darker, fatter and more aggressive. By the same token, I honestly feel like the Holydiver neck might be an equally good solution because the Cold Sweat, Rebel Yell and Holydiver necks are all closely related but the Cold Sweat is the darkest and most modern while the Holydiver is the brightest and most vintage. You clearly like the Rebel Yell neck but want it a bit brighter so the Holydiver is the obvious solution. There you go: A-Bomb bridge and Holydiver neck  :D

I shot Ben an email explaining that I love the core voice of the Rebel Yells but that I want to tweak the sound slightly.  He recommended the Black Dog in the neck and the Nailbomb in the bridge.  Listening to sound clips, I think he's right.  The Black Dog has that slightly more breathy / airy low end that I'm going for.  I emailed him asking if I could get the custom chrome cover / ray gun etch   :shock: cover on a nailbomb to match the neck pickup.  I'll either just swap that one pickup  (which would honestly be enough) or I can swap both and get the Black Dog / Nailbomb in open coil / zebra for a new look.  Either way, I'll have to flip the Rebel Yells to offset the cost.  I still have the unfilled warranty card as well as the box and candy so it shouldn't be such an issue to flip them for a reasonable price.  If I held onto them, the wife would think this to be a prohibitively expensive swap, and this would be BEFORE I looked for more wood for the Rebel Yells.  **GRIN**

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2013, 08:22:53 AM »
The warranty card isn't something you complete and send in.  The warranty is recorded with the purchase, so that the original purchaser is the only person who can claim the warranty.

I know this because I asked Ben about the warranty on the pickups I purchased on my friend's behalf for this Les Paul and he told me that if he has any issues with the pickups that I would be the one who has to send them back.  As far as BKP is concerned they are my pickups, not his.

The card states the terms of the warranty and includes handwritten test results on the output
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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2013, 03:20:17 PM »
This is good to know.  It's a shame they don't offer a transferable warranty like Mesa does but at least I won't offer incorrect information should I have to flip pickups.

They only offer the ray gun  :shock: etch for Rebel Yells so I'd be stuck potentially swapping a pickup cover to have my pickups match.  We'll see what I decide to do, I'm not quite sure yet...

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2013, 03:58:20 PM »
Get the Nailbomb etch on the bridge ;)

a bit of mix and match
BLACK HAWKS
IMPULSES
COBRA-T
WAR PIGS
STOCKHOLM
COLD SWEATS
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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2013, 04:53:01 PM »
Maybe the problem is the guitar...have you tried a nonrelieved LP?

I've gone through a few before I found my current set up. I've got a 94 standard with stormy mondays and a 92 standard with mules. I get a great balanced sound through all switch positions with both guitars. Something about early 90s LPs just works  for me. Just my two cents anyhow....
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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2013, 08:09:19 PM »
Yes, it is a combination of the guitar and the amps I use it with.  But the guitar has a good overall tone, even when unplugged, and it plays really well so I'm ok with taking a small financial hit to even it out a bit more.  It's 90% the way there with some collective pickup setup so I know that a small further adjustment will get the desired effect. 

As for pickups, I think the phatter tone and the higher output of the Nailbomb would be a welcomed change.  I'm still really on the fence and seriously considering the Black Dog / Nailbomb combo in open coils / zebra.  A new look ^___^

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2014, 08:30:07 PM »
Anyone have any experience with the C-bomb vs the A-Bombs?  How about the Holy Diver bridge pickup?  I wonder how the HD would match with a Rebel Yell neck?  Keep in mind I want something a bit phatter and thicker than a Rebel Yell bridge, but with a similar voice overall. 

I'm just trying to figure out all my options.

Also, what pickup cover with this guitar?  This is pre-BKP picture and I still have all the nickel hardware.


I'm thinking Tyger with black screws.  I thought about Zebra but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of covers with some sort of funky variation.  Want to keep the classic look with a twist! 

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2014, 08:38:42 PM »
I think something like reverse zebras would look great.
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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2014, 09:08:43 PM »
Ya, I was considering a reverse zebra as an option but I also think Tyger covers with black screws would look really awesome in a somewhat subtle sort of way.  It's like saying this guitar is classic but it's turbo charged!!  The Ray Guns  :shock: are super cool but they only put them on Rebel Yells =-(

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2014, 10:18:08 PM »
The 'gashes' on the zebra covers will run perpendicular to the flame on the guitar top, but don't mind me, I'm too perfectionist ;)
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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2014, 10:28:49 PM »
No, I think you have a point.

You don't want the equivalent of striped pants with a plaid shirt.  Brushed nickel cover with gold screws?  Creme Bobbins? 

The Reverse Zebra does seem like a good option but I'm a bit at a loss when it comes to choosing something more personal.  Most of the stuff here would look far better in a super strat.  Has anyone done something more adventurous with a classic LP finish?

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2014, 11:34:03 PM »
My LP is not a million miles away from yours (flamed top, cherry/amber), I went simply for the Slash look (zebra on the neck, reverse zebra on the bridge).

Brushed nickel is cool, but won't match the tailpiece.

Depends on what you want.
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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2014, 04:14:41 AM »
Here's a hack MSPaint Job to see what tyger covers will look like with a LP Standard in the Clown Burst.




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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2014, 09:17:20 PM »
So I was just recommended THIS for a cover by Ben:  https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/539623_163567467125173_1876904702_n.jpg

This guy is awesome.  That is all. 

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Re: 2002 LP Standard Pickups. (Rebel Yells currently)
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2014, 09:49:20 PM »
Nailbomb bridge is on order. Now we wait.