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triantobebrian

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Howdy all....2nd set of pickups I'm ordering - I put a strat together a year.

I put an email through to support; and was suggested to try a Mississippi Queen neck and a Nailbomb bridge.

Without stepping on Ben's toes (replied within 12 hours BTW - awesome customer service) I'm a little confused why he's suggested the MQ and not the Stockholm given I'm looking for the Matt Bellamy sound.
Firstly - I'm putting these into a variax. I just want to be clear that these pickups (particularly a p90) won't affect the working electronics of the guitar.
Secondly, the Variax needs to remain flexible.  That's its job - should I stick with the stock pickups that it comes with (I'm mainly changing them due to the name and aesthetics - ie. W@#K factor.

I hadn't considered a p90 - how are these different to single coils and humbuckers (in between??)  I always saw P90's as George Thorogood style blues pickups...  Please learn me.

Cheers all.


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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2013, 11:07:12 PM »
Well it makes sense actually. While the Stockholm and Supermassive are inspired by Bellamy, but he actually uses MQs and sometimes a Nailbomb bridge. So you can see where the recomendation comes from. While I usually would recommend on giving the MQ bridge a shot too, I can very much see why Ben said Nailbomb bridge, as it will in all probability give you more versatility. If you were to go full muse sound though the MQ bridge would perhaps yield better results, but not by gigantic amounts.

I can certainly say that the MQ neck will give you all the versatility and Muse feel you should need.
BKPs in use: 10th set / RY set / Holy Diver b, Emerald n / Crawler bridge, Slowhand mid MQ neck/ Manhattan n
On the sidelines: Stockholm b / Suppermassive n, Mule n, AM set, IT mid

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2013, 12:36:32 AM »
Thanks buddy.
Could you explain the difference between a (standard) p90 and a humbucker/single coil?  Cheers.

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2013, 01:18:31 AM »
Well you got single coils which...well one coil. Bright sound, great attack, usually slightly scooped compared to the alternatives, perhaps a hint of a lovely hollowness. Killer for clean and low gain sounds. Has that distinct snap and chime we love in teles and strats.
Has to be combined with other PUs for wiring fun.

A HB essentially is two SCs wired together to cut out the hum, though other frequencies are also cut in the process. Also the coils are not wound as much as a single coil pu, since you got two, so spliting one is not like a SC. You get more output, weight and mids, usually more creamy too. Sound is much bigger and fuller than with SCs and also rounder and smoother.
Can be split and coils can be turned out of phase with each other and can be switched around from series to parallel wiring. That is with the correct wiring.

The P90s is a true single coil, but uber fat in wind, magnet and coil. That gives you the full frequency response, attack and chime of a single coil and the fattness and power of a humbucker. You also get a very distinct midrange roar and agression. P90s can scream and sing depending on what you want. Also best PU type to handle fuzz.
Wiring options like with the SC.


This is just a general idea though, there of course is more to it. The Bellamy sound to me is a lot about using fuzz though (P90s rule) and about that pick attack of SC while being fat. You just hear that he uses them a lot.
BKPs in use: 10th set / RY set / Holy Diver b, Emerald n / Crawler bridge, Slowhand mid MQ neck/ Manhattan n
On the sidelines: Stockholm b / Suppermassive n, Mule n, AM set, IT mid

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2013, 03:42:15 AM »
Thanks for the replies....

So for that super fuzz sound (remembering that I'm buying a Variax for ultimate flexibility - so I don't want it to be a one trick pony) I'm thinking a Stockholm P90 in the neck (they sound like they're fatter than the MQ) and  an aftermath (mainly for the looks of the double screws) in the bridge....

Would you guys (or gals) suggest this is a pretty flexible combo that will give me fat distortion for hard rock, blues and the stones tele sound; but also allow me to use the Variax for the stuff it's built for - 12 string and acoustic modelling, tele, strat, dropped tuning etc etc.....
I'm also a massivGeorge Thorogood fan, so whilst it may look a little strange playing slide blues on a guitar like this, I'm hoping the P90 option will work here as well.
(One last thought - do I need to worry about any noise or hum cancelling options with the P90?)

Thanks again.

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 04:01:10 AM »
How do you get recommended a pair of Mississippi Queens and you read that as a Stockholm + Aftermath recommendation?

Neither is that pairing too versatile (they are on the very hotter side of things), but they are also not very transparent or neutral IF your guitar needs those atributes to do it's modeling thing (which I don't have a clue if it does).
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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 04:42:38 AM »
Nope - didn't read it that way at all.  I appreciate the feedback and have learnt a lot; particularly about P90's.
But I do want hotter pups as I predominantly play harder rock (not metal) but as I also said; for the looks.

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2013, 05:37:32 AM »
I don't think the Aftermath is necessarily a good match for the Stockholm neck.  I would recommend either a Stockholm bridge (great pickup, I have one) or an alnico Nailbomb (another great one that I can recommend from experience, it doesn't like SGs though).

But yeah +1 to what Metale said.  I think Ben gave you a pretty sensible recommendation.

Pickup all pretty much look the same, except Aftermaths, Warpigs, and Juggernauts have the double screw/bolt thing happening.  Which you pay extra for.
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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 08:24:09 AM »
Email sent back to Ben.... Clear as mud????
Thanks again all.


Hey Ben, thanks again.  You guys know you're renowned for this type of customer service.... It's appreciated by all of us BKP junkies...


Ok.  So from what you and the old mates on the forum are saying its a Mississippi and Nailbomb as per Bellamy.
BUT - I'm partly doing this for aesthetics (I've modelled bone style stratpickup covers for my BKP that I previously ordered) I know it's all about the sound and not the looks blah blah blah - but us hobby musos would put all you guys out of work if we only went with the functional (as opposed to 'emotional') gear.  So I really want the bridge humbucker to be a double row of bolts (as in the aftermath or Warpig 'cover' photo on the site.  The order page is a little confusing too. Some of the photos have screws in one row and bolts in 2 regardless of the pickup.
So the humbucker I want a little hotter (I've got a sinner bridge in my strat - it would be blasphemy to have a hotter strat than my 'hard rock' guitar) but want the double row of bolts. That's why I was suggesting the aftermath.  But if you're suggesting the Bellamy combo of the Nailbomb - can I get that with double row bolts? Even if I've got to custom order it? (And if so can I get it scatterwound? Is it worth it?)
Same as the P 90 - someone has suggested I get the Stockholm but as a bridge pickup if I'm going the aftermath option.

So my priorities are
1a) looks (double row of bolts and also a p90) and 1b) versatility seeing as it's going into a Variax.

2 The Muse setup (Humbucker and P90 looks cool.  My strat is one beautiful hand sourced build from Warmoth guitar - but I get more comments on the pups than anything; which I promptly turn over to show them the backplate with the printed boxer logo.)

3 The muse fuzz sound (remembering its a Variax that runs through Line 6 stuff that have fuzz - so don't need or warrant having the effects Matt would.  It's still a hobby) so don't want to sacrifice the sound for one sound.  But I understand the P90 is great for fuzz.  I hope it's also going to help for versatility (ie. Variax Tele, Strat, Thorogood Acoustic,  12 string) in its sounds.

4 I'm hoping I can purchase additional covers. Basically as many as I can get so I can mix and match to get it right.
I'm thinking a battle worn black humbucker, and plain black p90 (but also reverse covers.)
I'd also want a battle worn set of camo covers.
Now I know what you mean about stock wound P90.  I'm assuming it'll be silent? I need it to be as that's the function of a Variax for recording.
The P90 will need black screws - not bolts.
Can I get the BKP font etched onto the Nailbomb/Aftermath if it has a double row of bolts.

Sorry about the long email.
Let me know the verdict.

Cheers.

 

metale

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2013, 09:31:23 AM »
Good God, man, that was long :D

I don't think BKP will do the Nailbomb with double row of bolts.

IF you really NEED a humbucker with a double row of bolts for the bridge, but still need versatility, I would maybe go to a Juggernaut. Neither the Aftermath or the Warpig sound more versatile than it IMO. And you DO need versatile: it's a variax afterall, right?

That being said, Matt Bellamy's MK3 pickup which he has on some guitars is rumored to be based on an Aftermath, so there.

So, so far we have:
Neck: Mississippi Queen with black bolts (don't know if BKP will do this)
Bridge: Juggernaut/Aftermath with black bolts

Want aditional covers? I'd say you have 2 ways of doing that: purchase one set of each cover combination, or send them back to BKP each time you want to change covers. It's not as easy as unbolting a cover and bolting a new one. Better choose a design and stick to it.

Word of advise: the more simple the cover, the better it will sell when you find out that the pickups should have been chosen based on sound rather that looks.
Black Dog (b), Abraxas (b), The Mule (n), Mississippi Queen (n), Trilogy Suite (m)

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 11:50:47 AM »
Hadn't looked at a Juggernaut... Good option (?)
And the P90 can have screws.... I like the different look option....
And I won't sell them if they're not right.... I'll just keep them.
Thinking worn camo.... With the etching....

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2013, 12:20:25 PM »
I would also think that the Juggernaut would be a better call than the AM if double rows are needed. The AM really is a perculiar thing and the Jugg is kind of an evolution of them, adding some things. More organic, musically smooth high end, fatter, mids pulled down a little from the center, etc. Should be a lot more versatile.

For the neck MQ or Stockholm I guess. Do not underestimate the MQ, it has been succesfully paired with warpigs and has more output and fullness than one might expect. Compared to it the Stockholm has lot more low end, more output, lot more hotness (compression) and a much more modern voicing. Both can work, but in terms of versatility the MQ is up in this battle. However it is not as close in terms of fattness as the Jugg, so if you really donīt like your neck to be brighter than the bridge this might be an issue.


And how the moddeling works I have no clue in hell.
BKPs in use: 10th set / RY set / Holy Diver b, Emerald n / Crawler bridge, Slowhand mid MQ neck/ Manhattan n
On the sidelines: Stockholm b / Suppermassive n, Mule n, AM set, IT mid

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2013, 03:43:17 PM »
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry to laugh man, but NEVER buy a pickup on the basis of looks.
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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2013, 09:29:57 PM »
That's alright dude.
I'm just glad no-one said "Don't mean to laugh but NEVER buy a Variax....."

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Re: Pickups for Line 6 James Tyler Variax 89F - looking for Muse sound...
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2013, 09:50:56 PM »
That's alright dude.
I'm just glad no-one said "Don't mean to laugh but NEVER buy a Variax....."
Well I have no personal experience with them but thought they were...well, you know. Then I saw one being used on Steve Hacketts Genesis Revisited tour. Got the job done in that live setting without me having any complaints. So who am I to judge.
BKPs in use: 10th set / RY set / Holy Diver b, Emerald n / Crawler bridge, Slowhand mid MQ neck/ Manhattan n
On the sidelines: Stockholm b / Suppermassive n, Mule n, AM set, IT mid