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dobbins

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New speaker or new cab?
« on: January 30, 2014, 06:35:17 PM »
Hey all,

Just wanting an opinion really. I'm generally pleased with my setup, I run a fairly heavily modded 5w Blackheart Little Giant into a Hughes and Kettner 1x12 cab. Sometimes I find my sound a little boomy or flabby for want of better words, this has led me to believe that my cab isn't quite up to it. Apart from these odd occurrences, the tones I get from the amp are great and having powerscaling and master volume mods so I can overdrive my amp nicely at low volumes.

So... would you think an investment in a decent speaker like a v30 or greenback, or would a whole new cab would be best?

Cheers.
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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2014, 06:48:02 PM »
It may not be the speaker at all but the construction of the cabinet and/or its location in the room. My first port of call would be a couple sheets of Dynamat and some rock wool...

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2014, 08:21:54 PM »
The cab is closed back, so would positioning affect it a great deal? It is positioned against the wall though. How would I use that dampening stuff you mentioned?

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2014, 10:13:11 PM »
That's a good idea from Plenum n Heather. Never would have thought of it!

Most guitar cabs don't have insulation, but some (like Bognor) do.

Not sure how it would change the sound, but basically you open the cab and line the back/sides. Maybe I would start by putting a sheet on the back of the cab, and then seeing how it sounds. If it was better, I'd try the sides as well.
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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2014, 10:20:21 PM »
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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2014, 08:50:30 AM »


Is this a Bogner cab?

Cheers Stephan

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2014, 09:47:07 AM »
apparently yes - its meant to be a Bogner cube.

you can see the ports in the bottom of the cab.
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dobbins

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2014, 11:11:19 AM »
So, insulating the cab is first port of call then look to speakers afterwards? If insulating is the way to go to tighten the sound, why don't more companies do it!?

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2014, 12:04:35 PM »
Tonnes of speakers have wadding in, just not that many guitar cabs. Loads of Bass and PA speaker contain it. It was probably deemed unnecessary for guitar or not cost effective long ago.

I've tried this with a 4x12.

The schools of thought are that adding some material can effect the resonance of panels, reduce reflections and absorb some waves inside the cab, and some say the heat generated by the compression of gas (air in the cab) when the speaker moves inwards is also absorbed helping maintain internal temperature... not sure how much all of that REALLY works with guitar.

I think generally people seem to think you get more bass rather than less, or that it shifts the bass response maybe to a higher frequency. It's not that easy to google and get your head around and I don't really understand it. Looking into PA, Bass or HiFi speaker design is probably the way to research it.

If you want to try it, you can get rolls of stuff called Dacron off ebay for pretty cheap. I think I got 8oz or 9oz stuff when I try this. Or I got 30mm thick Dacron which looks thinner that what is in Gwems photo. I wouldn't use fibreglass and acoustic foams is expensive. The Dacron is easy to handle and cheap to get hold of. It's what you find inside pillows. 

Plenum n Heather's point about isolating the cab from the floor should reduce bass response. I think its also about where you sit. My 4x12 sounds super dark depending on where im stood in relation to it. Usually stood in front of it so vertically way off axis.

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2014, 02:17:26 PM »
Cheers for all the info. I think the point about positioning is very pertinent. Until my youngest grows up, or at least learns not to mess with my gear, I am confined to my bedroom for pratice. so sitting a few feet away from the amp is less than ideal for sound projection. 

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2014, 02:37:49 PM »
Yes, it's not. I have a similar problem with my small office room, which also contains my guitar stuff. Not enough space really.

Two more options really:
- get a Black Star 10" cab. It is quite nice and sounds good at lower volumes.
- get an EQ pedal and put it in the effects loop to cut the bass a bit. With such a small power amp it should also help make the sound a bit more direct and responsive.

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 02:59:12 AM »
Sorry, work got crazy busy and I was not able to post a timely reply. Everyone seems to have covered the topic really well, though. 

2 things you should do some reading into -- cabinet overhang, and room modes.

One product not mentioned, and I swear by it, is the Auralex Gramma, for getting your cabinets decoupled from the floor.

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Re: New speaker or new cab?
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 08:59:10 PM »


Is this a Bogner cab?

Cheers Stephan

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