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Axe_34

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Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« on: July 05, 2014, 02:27:51 AM »
Hi all.

I currently have a set of Mules in my '07 Les Paul Standard and I love them. They've been in it for 5 years and aren't going anywhere.

I recently purchased a '13 Les Paul Standard that has Burstbucker Pros (1 & 2) in them but I'm finding them a little too grainy, loose and bright for what I'm going for. I'd like this one to be a little more modern and hotter sounding than my '07.

I play through a 1981 JMP 2204 50 watt head through a 4X12 with two Governors and two GB12s and a Mesa Boogie Express Plus 5:25 combo.

I mostly play heavy classic rock (Zep, Sabbath, AC/DC), old school metal (Priest, Maiden, Venom, Mercyful Fate) and alternative (Soundgarden, Nirvana).

I'm at a loss for what would be a good set for the '13 Standard.

I've considered Black Dogs, Nailbombs and Holy Divers.

Which would you recommend?

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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2014, 09:15:16 AM »
I have a 2013 Studio and although I don't have Bare Knuckles in it, I think I might be able to give you a reasonable idea.

Black Dog - Never played this one myself but it's certainly one of those I am considering for the future. More middy than the Mules and the wire used would suggest a more modern tone while still being fine for Classic Rock. A step towards the modern certainly, but only a reasonable step.

Abraxas - In many ways this would be an obvious choice if you like the Mules but want to step things up a gear because that's essentially what an Abraxas is.

Cold Sweats - Awesome in a Les Paul and not as bright as the EQ chart might suggest. Hot enough and tight enough for Metal but open enough for Classic Rock. It's a very versatile set and should do a lot of what you're after very well.

Holydiver - Doesn't have the aggression of some of the others as its focus is more that smooth 80's Metal tone but should work fine if that's what you're after.

Rebel Yell - Related to the A-Bomb and apparently works very well in a Les Paul. Tight and aggressive but not as extreme as the Nailbomb. Quite a bright pickup so that may not be your thing.

Nailbomb - For what you're looking for I'd be looking at the A-Bomb more than the C-Bomb. Surprisingly open and versatile but very tight and very aggressive sounding. Seems to work best in a Les Paul for me so could be fine. If the Mule is one end of your spectrum, the A-Bomb is at the other.

Personally, I'd look at the Cold Sweats first and go from there but others may well have different views. Fortunately, a lot of the BKP range works well in Les Pauls  :grin:
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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2014, 01:28:58 PM »
Thanks so much for the suggestions!

I'd never really contemplated the Cold Sweats because of the amount of treble on the BMT graph on their description. It looked like it would be too bright.

Just listened to some clips on Youtube and they sound fantastic.

Decisions decisions. :laugh:

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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 09:02:37 AM »
Initially overlooking it is understandable as I did the same thing myself, especially as I used it in a maple neck-thru guitar with a Floyd bridge! It was certainly a bright pickup but that brightness wasn't overpowering at all and in a Les Paul it ends up a lot more balanced. I think what helps the Cold Sweat is that it has a decent amount of bass to balance the high side and though it appears to be scooped, it actually has a reasonable amount of upper mids, which on the EQ chart seem to be lumped in with the treble. As an example, look at the Emerald for a second. As far as the EQ chart is concerned, it appears to be less bright than the Cold Sweat yet when I tried an Emerald bridge it was in a mahogany guitar with a maple neck (darker than the guitar that used the Cold Sweat) and the pickup was so incredibly bright that I had to send it back. The Cold Sweat was actually a darker and more balanced sounding pickup despite showing more treble on the EQ chart but the Emerald just had no bass to offset the treble whereas the Cold Sweat does.

The Cold Sweat neck has always been popular here but the bridge version is relatively overlooked and that's a great shame because it's a very impressive pickup. I think its problem is also down to its strength, which I realise sounds a bit daft but bear with me here. The thing is, if you want a 'Metal' pickup, options like the Holydiver, Miracle Man, Aftermath etc. are possibly better choices. If you want something a little more 'Classic' sounding but with loads of balls, aggression and tightness, the A-Bomb is possibly a better option. Conversely, if you want something that is simply 'Classic Rock' and 'vintage' you have things like the Mule and Abraxas etc. You could argue that each of these pickups do their individual 'thing' better than the Cold Sweat but that's exactly why the Cold Sweat is so fantastic to me; it does all of those styles pretty much as good as the more specialist pickup. Shove one in the bridge of a Les Paul and you have a pickup that is capable of a vast range of styles and pulls them all off with great assurance. For anyone with a Les Paul who is looking for a highly versatile instrument and a classic Les Paul sound, I really can't recommend a Cold Sweat bridge highly enough. I wish to God that more people with a Les Paul (or even other guitars because it will work in other instruments too) would try the Cold Sweat because I'd be amazed if they were disappointed.

The Cold Sweat neck is surprisingly less versatile in my opinion. It uses a more modern wire and is more readily associated with shredding styles, which is fine if that's what you're after but personally, I'd go for a neck option like the Emerald. It is still plenty hot enough but has a sweeter and slightly more vintage tone. Another option for the neck might be the Holydiver, which is another often overlooked gem. I really can't see past the Emerald and Holydiver neck pickups because they're both far and away the best neck pickups I've tried from any manufacturer.

Anyway, I hope that helps a bit but if you'd like to know more, just ask  :smiley:
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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 02:05:33 PM »
Don't the Nailbomb would suit what you are after, it's very modern sounding, as in Nu Metal and newer stuff.

The Blackdog would nail the Zep alright and maybe the classic rock bands, although they are not balanced enough for my tastes.
Cold Sweat would work, HD would if you like extra mids and the Abraxas is a hotter, darker, middier version of your Mule.

If you want more variety with your LP's, then maybe the CS is for you.
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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 05:43:56 PM »
if you really go that hot, the alnico nailbomb sounded great with the '77 jmp 2204 I had
but my personal pick would be the black dog
it's a completely different tone from the mule, hotter and fatter, with a quite dense midrange and more modern voicing
in a somewhat extreme analogy, it's like a middle ground between the mule and a duncan JB, but more articulate than both under lots of gain
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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2014, 12:49:23 AM »
+1 on the Cold Sweat.  I would go for the set.  I think it would be especially good for the old school metal (Priest, Maiden, Venom, Mercyful Fate) and alternative (Soundgarden, Nirvana) stuff you mention, and can also handle the AC/DC very well.  I would tend to use your other guitar for the Led Zeppelin (do you find that the Mules work well for that?) and while the Warpigs are better for the Sabbath sound than any others in the BKP range you can get by with the CS as long as you aren't trying to reproduce that Masters of Reality sound, which is Warpigs all the way.

The CS will be the most versatile relative to your music styles.
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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2014, 10:10:46 AM »
I recently purchased a '13 Les Paul Standard that has Burstbucker Pros (1 & 2) in them but I'm finding them a little too grainy, loose and bright for what I'm going for. I'd like this one to be a little more modern and hotter sounding than my '07.

I play through a 1981 JMP 2204 50 watt head through a 4X12 with two Governors and two GB12s and a Mesa Boogie Express Plus 5:25 combo.

I mostly play heavy classic rock (Zep, Sabbath, AC/DC), old school metal (Priest, Maiden, Venom, Mercyful Fate) and alternative (Soundgarden, Nirvana).

I've considered Black Dogs, Nailbombs and Holy Divers.

To cover all these bases Black Dogs would work well. Use a boost with the 2204.

Cheers Stephan

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Re: Black Dog vs. Nailbomb vs. ?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 10:13:02 AM »
I recently purchased a '13 Les Paul Standard that has Burstbucker Pros (1 & 2) in them but I'm finding them a little too grainy, loose and bright for what I'm going for. I'd like this one to be a little more modern and hotter sounding than my '07.

I play through a 1981 JMP 2204 50 watt head through a 4X12 with two Governors and two GB12s and a Mesa Boogie Express Plus 5:25 combo.

I mostly play heavy classic rock (Zep, Sabbath, AC/DC), old school metal (Priest, Maiden, Venom, Mercyful Fate) and alternative (Soundgarden, Nirvana).

I've considered Black Dogs, Nailbombs and Holy Divers.

To cover all these bases Black Dogs would work well. Use a boost with the 2204.

Cheers Stephan

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