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sambo

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2006, 11:00:56 PM »
what so your looking for a screamer or thunder?

what are the main differences? thats anotehr q-

what can beat a thunder if anything and what are the differences between the screamer and thunder????

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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2006, 12:09:31 AM »
i haven't tried the thunder, but i know MDV took a screamer over the thunder based on versatility.

I know the screamer has an extra channel etc., and twin master volumes (i.e. footswitchable volume boost) if you buy the 6-button footswitch.

But yeah, on bang for buck, engls are great.

I'd look into the laney tt50 combo too (£679 if you shop around), assuming it sounds the same as the tt100 head i tried, which was very nice, but the screamer has a slightly wider range of tones (it gets better fendery cleans, and heavier metal distortion). I'd probably take the laney over it for hard rock, though. (i haven't tried them head to head).

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2006, 12:18:45 AM »
hmmmmm.... dunno whether to save up a little extra for the screamer..... is the screamer thunder + more or just different to thunder/more versatile?

bascially does it do the same stuff as the thunder and then some... or does it do more than the thunder but just differently?

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2006, 12:25:08 AM »
from what i hear (i haven't tried the thunder), the thunder is more darkly voiced, has less gain, one less channel, and is generally less versatile.

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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2006, 12:27:44 AM »
i see.... see i dunno if i would mind that.... i tend to like slightly darker voiced things... and my p-90 would hopefully give it as much brightness as i would really need..... gonna have to try one.... with my axe or a similar one as well....

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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2006, 01:52:27 AM »
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^searcher... pretty please? share your invaluble wisdom....


Sorry, Sam, I don't actually have any invaluable wisdom here.  I've never played through an Engl.  That didn't stop me from posting, though.  :P
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2006, 04:36:15 PM »
^^sambo- yeah, you need to try them both, head to head, with your guitar.

Just don't try an SE, because then you'll get extreme GAS, and it's about £2000 for the head... :(

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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2006, 04:39:42 PM »
oh i see 'searcher'.. you thought youd just take advantage of the slight chink i left in the armour of my post.... you sicken me.....



anyway, on a brighter note, i dont think i would dare try an se for fear of actually breaking down and crying in the process....

what would be the advantages of getting say an ac30? apparently the £600 ish ones arent actually the 'real thing' - theyre made in the far east unlike the £1000 ish ones which are british made or something????

but could i buy an ac30 and then say use a boost/overdrive pedal.... whats the comparison between the engl and vox...

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« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2006, 04:41:52 PM »
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oh i see 'searcher'.. you thought youd just take advantage of the slight chink i left in the armour of my post.... you sicken me.....



anyway, on a brighter note, i dont think i would dare try an se for fear of actually breaking down and crying in the process....

what would be the advantages of getting say an ac30? apparently the £600 ish ones arent actually the 'real thing' - theyre made in the far east unlike the £1000 ish ones which are british made or something????

but could i buy an ac30 and then say use a boost/overdrive pedal.... whats the comparison between the engl and vox...


They seem like two totally opposite things  :lol: I'd rather have the Vox probably, although I havent played either, it seems like the more vintagey of the two.

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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2006, 04:49:05 PM »
yer... ive tried an ac30.... nice cleans, didnt have a chance to really give the distortion a good test.... but in machinehead (although i dunno if i trust ANYTHING that comes from there) they apparently sold four of them and they all broke.... so they might stop selling them.... hmmmm probably just their giutar 'tech':

(who doesnt know how to fit a tapped p-90)

fiddling with them....



but the way i see it in my head is- nice cleans plus overdrive/distortion pedal (a distortion pedal that doesnt colour the amps sound that is) = great distortion tone.....

does that make sense to anyone? like surely if you have an amp with great cleans like a fender, then putting a decent, fairly non-sound colouring distortion/overdrive pedal in the mix, the distortion will be just as good as the cleans...?

so going by that EXTREMELY unproven theory lol... i could either get the engl, or the vox+pedal....

dunno what the hell im going on about.... save me.... somebody.. please?

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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2006, 04:50:26 PM »
well, yeah, the vox is vintage sounding. My savage se actually sounds a little like a vox on the crunch 1 channel, in triode mode, because triode mode has more natural compression etc., like a vox- but that's the only engl that really sounds like that.

the vox will be no-where near as versatile as the engl. At low volumes, you're struggling to get it much heavier than classic rock (haven't tried it with an OD though). It'll be better at the vox tone, but the engl will be better at everything else.

EDIT: the engl's distortion, assuming you like its voicing, will sound better than the Vox + OD pedal.

The engl's range of tones is amazing, quite frankly. By just switching my footswitch, i can go from a fendery bluesy yet jazzy, warm clean, to a vox-y/fendery/marshally (mixture, lol) kind of classic rock crunch, that sounds bluesy with single coils, to classic metal (maiden) and 80's hard rock and hair metal, to sweet, smooth shred solos in smooth mode, to brutal modern metalcore (think killswitch engage) in rough mode. EDIT: did you check out my dmusic site? I posted it in that other engl thread.

And the SE is just heaven. Every friggin tone under the sun is in there. Seriously. And they're all amazing.

Now, the screamer doesn't have just this range (doesn't really have the smooth shred tones- now you could probably dial this in, but you'd lose the killswitch engage tone, since you'd have to dial in a less trebly heavy lead channel), but it has fendery cleans (with added sparkle), marshall but brighter crunch, hard rock soft lead channel, and modern metal heavy lead channel.

I haven't tried an amp with a wider range of tones than an engl, and I've tried virtually every amp it has been possible for me to try.

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« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2006, 05:05:18 PM »
yer i checked your site out.... at first .... was thinking ... hmmm good stuff..... then i realised that the settings were like master volume at 2 and i was like.... OH  MY  GOD..... :o

which engl were you talking about

the engl's distortion, assuming you like its voicing, will sound better than the Vox + OD pedal.

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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2006, 07:42:24 PM »
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yer i checked your site out.... at first .... was thinking ... hmmm good stuff..... then i realised that the settings were like master volume at 2 and i was like.... OH  MY  GOD..... :o

which engl were you talking about

the engl's distortion, assuming you like its voicing, will sound better than the Vox + OD pedal.

?


It's not all that loud with the master at 2, to be honest. I have the channel volumes very low as well, remember. You could turn it down lower, i mean at that volume the power amp isn't doing anything, i just like it at that level, lol.

I was pretty much talking about any of the engls. All amps have their signature sound, pretty much, you'll either like it or hate it (as with any amp). I mean, if you like the tone of the vox more than the engl, you might prefer it with an OD to the engl.

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« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2006, 07:48:09 PM »
yer the fact that the power amp wasnt doing anything i what i meant.... good tone even at that low volume....

gonna try and find a laney to test-drive soon.... and if i like it, then it shouldnt actually be that long til i get it cause ive got an lc30 and crate to sell  :D

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« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2006, 08:20:15 PM »
Didn't you only get the lc30 recently? What's wrong with it? (I haven't tried one).