Some suggstions on the speakers?

[jdwhw]

Hi guys,
I have a problem of choosing speakers for my 212 now.I use a jet city 212 cab before,somehow I think the speakers inside don't satisfied me which lead me to change speakers.What I want is a speaker that can handle hi-gain but still  versatile for classic rock,with tight low-end ,punchy bass and mids as well as singing highs.Then I find some combination for the speakers:
1.celestion V30+celestion T75:seems very good,but the Sensitivity is 3db difference
2.celestion classic leads +celestion V30:someone has a good result with this
3.celestion classoc leads + celestion K100:a combination thinking by myself,a powerful mids with tight,deep low-end,also with a nice modern high cut
4.eminence Governor + eminence man o war:a friend of mine suggests this combination,I don't really know about that...
So which combination should I choose or some other suggestions?Thanks a lot!!!

[dave_mc]

It's up to you, really. And it depends on the exact type of tone you want, and also the amp- some amps get on with certain speakers better than others. Which amp are you using?

I haven't tried the k100, and I haven't tried the gov + man o war (but the word on the net is that they're eminence's version of the v30 and g12t75 respectively).

[jdwhw]

It's up to you, really. And it depends on the exact type of tone you want, and also the amp- some amps get on with certain speakers better than others. Which amp are you using?

I haven't tried the k100, and I haven't tried the gov + man o war (but the word on the net is that they're eminence's version of the v30 and g12t75 respectively).

Thanks dude,but I can't judge from the website and the frequnecy curve----they look very same but have huge difference in sound,maybe I should listen more sound clips about that.My amp is soldano hot rod 50

[Dave Sloven]

I've heard very good things about the V30 + CL80 combo in a 212

[AnnunakiMassacr]

Have you looked into Creambacks? I hear a lot of people speak highly about them who have Zilla cabs

[dave_mc]

Thanks dude,but I can't judge from the website and the frequnecy curve----they look very same but have huge difference in sound,maybe I should listen more sound clips about that.My amp is soldano hot rod 50

Yeah it's very hard to tell if you can't try them with your amp. Once you've tried a bunch (same with any guitar gear) you can sort of start to read between the lines with youtube videos and soundclips, but it's still nowhere near as good as trying the thing yourself.

I like eminence v12s with my jet city jca50 (kind of a cheapo hot rod i think). They're sort of like "better" versions of the stock jet city speakers. But it depends on whether you want a total change from the jet city speakers or just something that's a similar idea but a bit "better".

I also really liked my celestion heritage 55hz G12h30s with it- but they're pretty expensive. I got a good deal on a laney lionheart cab which came stock with them.

and of course, i'm not sure how close the jet city is to the soldano- i found it slightly picky with speakers (more so than my laney gh50L which, while I did have favourites, more or less sounded at least "good" with everything I tried it with), but whether the soldano is as picky, I don't know. And being a fair bit cheaper, it's possible I was sort of compensating for the cut corners in the jet city whereas with the full-blown soldano version you might not have to do that.

EDIT: I should also add, I only play at pretty low volumes at home So bear that in mind and sort of take what I say with a pinch of salt.

[jdwhw]

Thanks for the suggestion! I've own a jet city  50 before which is a really awesome amp! I buy a soldano now because I love this sound.For leads it is wonderful...I do think the eminence V12 is good speaker and fit soldano head well.May be a V12 and another speaker to set up in my cab.For the jca cab I'd say they are good enough for the price,but the speaker lack some bottom end(may be just need a depth mod?).I'll try V12 first

[dave_mc]

Yeah i thought the stock jet city speakers were a bit tinny- however, I already had the v12s ready to swap, so I only gave the stock jet city speakers a cursory try before I swapped them, so they obviously were nowhere near broken-in and may well have improved as time went on. However, neither were the V12s and out of the box I thought they sounded noticeably better. Not a totally massive difference (at least at the volumes I was playing at), but yeah, better.

I haven't really tried much combined with a V12, so I can't help you there- the ones I have are a different impedance from most of my other speakers (because when I bought mine you couldn't get the 16 ohm versions retail). I only tried a V12 with a GB128, and I didn't really like the mix, I preferred the two V12s on their own. (I like the GB128 too, sort of like a more modern-sounding, cleaner greenback, just not combined with the V12!).

[jdwhw]

Yeah i thought the stock jet city speakers were a bit tinny- however, I already had the v12s ready to swap, so I only gave the stock jet city speakers a cursory try before I swapped them, so they obviously were nowhere near broken-in and may well have improved as time went on. However, neither were the V12s and out of the box I thought they sounded noticeably better. Not a totally massive difference (at least at the volumes I was playing at), but yeah, better.

I haven't really tried much combined with a V12, so I can't help you there- the ones I have are a different impedance from most of my other speakers (because when I bought mine you couldn't get the 16 ohm versions retail). I only tried a V12 with a GB128, and I didn't really like the mix, I preferred the two V12s on their own. (I like the GB128 too, sort of like a more modern-sounding, cleaner greenback, just not combined with the V12!).

Thanks agian!:grin:I've considered the soldano cab with V1216 before.And I find that the diezel cab of my friend with front load K100 seems better for my taste than other cab than I've tried.Can't wait to try V12 now

[dave_mc]

No problem :)

I haven't tried the k100, it's meant to be pretty good too i think (but no idea if it's meant to work with a soldano)

[Toe-Knee]

Yeah i thought the stock jet city speakers were a bit tinny- however, I already had the v12s ready to swap, so I only gave the stock jet city speakers a cursory try before I swapped them, so they obviously were nowhere near broken-in and may well have improved as time went on. However, neither were the V12s and out of the box I thought they sounded noticeably better. Not a totally massive difference (at least at the volumes I was playing at), but yeah, better.

I haven't really tried much combined with a V12, so I can't help you there- the ones I have are a different impedance from most of my other speakers (because when I bought mine you couldn't get the 16 ohm versions retail). I only tried a V12 with a GB128, and I didn't really like the mix, I preferred the two V12s on their own. (I like the GB128 too, sort of like a more modern-sounding, cleaner greenback, just not combined with the V12!).

Thanks agian!:grin:I've considered the soldano cab with V1216 before.And I find that the diezel cab of my friend with front load K100 seems better for my taste than other cab than I've tried.Can't wait to try V12 now

Just for reference you can buy the Legend V1216 from Roadkill cabs now. I think Tube town sell them too.

[jdwhw]

Yeah i thought the stock jet city speakers were a bit tinny- however, I already had the v12s ready to swap, so I only gave the stock jet city speakers a cursory try before I swapped them, so they obviously were nowhere near broken-in and may well have improved as time went on. However, neither were the V12s and out of the box I thought they sounded noticeably better. Not a totally massive difference (at least at the volumes I was playing at), but yeah, better.

I haven't really tried much combined with a V12, so I can't help you there- the ones I have are a different impedance from most of my other speakers (because when I bought mine you couldn't get the 16 ohm versions retail). I only tried a V12 with a GB128, and I didn't really like the mix, I preferred the two V12s on their own. (I like the GB128 too, sort of like a more modern-sounding, cleaner greenback, just not combined with the V12!).

Thanks agian!:grin:I've considered the soldano cab with V1216 before.And I find that the diezel cab of my friend with front load K100 seems better for my taste than other cab than I've tried.Can't wait to try V12 now

Just for reference you can buy the Legend V1216 from Roadkill cabs now. I think Tube town sell them too.

Thanks!But should I get the V1216 or V128?From the eminence website I can't find difference...

[Toe-Knee]

Yeah i thought the stock jet city speakers were a bit tinny- however, I already had the v12s ready to swap, so I only gave the stock jet city speakers a cursory try before I swapped them, so they obviously were nowhere near broken-in and may well have improved as time went on. However, neither were the V12s and out of the box I thought they sounded noticeably better. Not a totally massive difference (at least at the volumes I was playing at), but yeah, better.

I haven't really tried much combined with a V12, so I can't help you there- the ones I have are a different impedance from most of my other speakers (because when I bought mine you couldn't get the 16 ohm versions retail). I only tried a V12 with a GB128, and I didn't really like the mix, I preferred the two V12s on their own. (I like the GB128 too, sort of like a more modern-sounding, cleaner greenback, just not combined with the V12!).

Thanks agian!:grin:I've considered the soldano cab with V1216 before.And I find that the diezel cab of my friend with front load K100 seems better for my taste than other cab than I've tried.Can't wait to try V12 now

Just for reference you can buy the Legend V1216 from Roadkill cabs now. I think Tube town sell them too.

Thanks!But should I get the V1216 or V128?From the eminence website I can't find difference...

It all depends on what impedance you want the cab to be.

Ideally you want 16ohm total to get the optimal sound from your amp.

[dave_mc]

Just for reference you can buy the Legend V1216 from Roadkill cabs now. I think Tube town sell them too.

Yeah, they seem to be available now. They weren't when I got mine.

Ideally you want 16ohm total to get the optimal sound from your amp.

Is that true or is it a myth? Even if it is true, is it going to be any difference more than "very, very subtle"? I know I have a cab where I can switch the impedance (and it also switches from series to parallel wiring), and any differences I noticed were subtle enough that I could have just been imagining it...

Other problem with 16 ohms total in a 2x12 is you have to go with series wiring which is a bit less safe (for your amp) if one of the speakers blows or if something fails in the cab, since the amp won't see a load. (I'm not saying anything you don't know, I know you build amps and know way more about amps than I do, I'm just saying this for Thomas's benefit.)

[Dmoney]

I like 16ohm cabs.
I use 16 ohm because I think a lot of output transformer winding patterns tap the 16ohm wind to get the 8ohm and 4ohm tap. 16ohm uses the whole secondary. I'm not sure how true that is of ALL OT's. though. IT'll vary according to winding pattern.

The other thing to consider I believe, is the "push" of the speaker which is related to its construction and various trade offs like wire gauge on the voice coil for a given speaker. The "push" calculation is something I was reading about recently that was put online by a celestion tech I think... although I can't find it now. But 8ohm speakers have more "push" and thats partly why they sound different to 16ohm versions of the same speaker. Although there are enough differences due to manufacturing that can also have an impact. If I can find the thread I'll post it up. It was interesting.

The point about the series wired 8ohm speakers is good though. It's true that if you have series wired speakers and one fails your head will see a zero load and that is a bad thing.