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JTH12

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I require opinions!
« on: October 10, 2014, 07:01:22 PM »
Before-hand: I realize people have asked about pickups for Epihpone/Gibson Les Pauls before but I'm doing a whole rebuild/overhaul of everything I have.

Alright so I own an Epiphone Les Paul Standard Pro as it comes. I'm switching out the pots and pickups. I need opinions/knowledge on good pickups for what I'm looking for.

As a reference of sound I play a lot of:

Alter Bridge
Trivium
Shinedown
Bullet for My Valentine
Avenged Sevenfold
Volbeat

So for my bridge pickup, I want something that is very crisp and clear and great for metal. For the neck I want a pickup that has a very warm sound to it.

So based on what sound I'm looking for i came to the conclusion of an Aftermath in the bridge and a Black Hawk in the neck. So i was looking for opinions on those two pickups as a combo. Is that good?

As the second part of this, I'm buying a new amp and want recommendations on what goes well together (Currently looking at a Peavey 6505+ 60W 112 Combo)

Thanks in advance, guys.

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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2014, 07:42:05 PM »
VHII neck  / A-Bomb bridge is one option.   The A-Bomb is a versatile and warm sounding bridge pickup that is also clear, fairly high output, and quite aggressive.  It also is tight and does not lack treble in the least.  It's great for hard rock, thrash, and all sorts of metal. 

Boosted Recto will get you the metal tones and a recto will do Alter Bridge.  I'd steer clear of the original 3 channel rectos, since the reborn ones are revoiced with an exceptional clean channel, and excellent low / mid gain tones as well as brighter and tighter high gain modes.  It's a great all round amp but you'll have to boost it for a tight, bright metal tone. 
The Peavey is a great option as well but it won't have the crazy awesome cleans that the new 50 / 100watt rectos have.  The peavey probably wouldn't need to be boosted for metal either but it will not excel at rock and hard rock the same way a recto will.  Depends on what you want.
Aside from these two amps, there are plenty of other amps that are also versatile and awesome. 
I'd say just to try some stuff and see what sort of feel and voicing you prefer.  Sound clips are ok but they are oftentimes more of a testament to a person's skills as a sound engineer than they are an accurate representation of the gear you're hearing. 

I can't really comment on the Aftermath but I hear it's a really dry sounding pickup.  If you're into that, it should work fine for what you want.  Not sure what pickup I'd match it up with.  The Juggernaut Neck pickup is really warm but it is also quite bassy which may not work in a Les Paul style instrument.  Difficult to say.

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Re: I require opinions!
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2014, 10:05:27 PM »
For crisp and clear I wouldn't go with the Nailbomb really. That's more "full, warm and punchy".
Probably the Aftermath isn't such a bad choice.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 11:49:26 PM »

Boosted Recto will get you the metal tones and a recto will do Alter Bridge.  I'd steer clear of the original 3 channel rectos, since the reborn ones are revoiced with an exceptional clean channel, and excellent low / mid gain tones as well as brighter and tighter high gain modes.  It's a great all round amp but you'll have to boost it for a tight, bright metal tone. 
The Peavey is a great option as well but it won't have the crazy awesome cleans that the new 50 / 100watt rectos have.  The peavey probably wouldn't need to be boosted for metal either but it will not excel at rock and hard rock the same way a recto will.  Depends on what you want.
Aside from these two amps, there are plenty of other amps that are also versatile and awesome. 
I'd say just to try some stuff and see what sort of feel and voicing you prefer.  Sound clips are ok but they are oftentimes more of a testament to a person's skills as a sound engineer than they are an accurate representation of the gear you're hearing. 


Recto? I'm horrible with short names haha. Like, what would be a good combo amp? Something I can preferably hook pedals up to. I don't want to have to go the 2 amp route.

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2014, 12:00:58 AM »
Imho this is a job for the Miracle Man or possibly the Blackhawk.

The MM is such a brilliant answer for the question of Trivium, Alter Bridge, Bullet, Avenged, and Volbeat. Dunno about Shinedown tbh. It takes the classic EMG sound and makes it full and organic, boosts the clarity and kick in the balls from palm mutes. The champ of chugs pretty much, with harmonics jumping off the high end. The lower mid chugging power is one of a kind here, paired with a cutting up front high end and filling but not focused center mids. Some people like to say it is scooped, but it does not lack center mids, the lower mids and high end are just more up front (if that makes sense).

The Blackhawk is an even more direct take on the EMG idea. It does go even more on the concept and not just on the sound produced by them as the MM did. The bottom end is lower and the high end higher. The sound is decidedly more modern too. That means perhaps that it does the really modern tones with more authority, but the MM was always able to channel a certain 80s flavour (or nail it all together), which you would really apprechiate for "The Poison" era Bullet tones for example. The BH is however cut cleaner in that modern sense, more precise, etc.

Both kinda take on the EMG thing. The MM goes from the classic 80s EMG tones to modern and takes em up a notch with passive life. The BH comes in decades later and that narrower focus allowes it to bring out the modern feel more.

And then there came the Juggernaut which then took the BH and paired it with the Aftermath, to make a pickup that had less deep and low bottom end than the BH and the tighness of the Aftermath without being as dry as said thing, etc.

There really are three options here in the end (I throw out the Aftermath cause imho it is too middy for most LP types which already have a lot of mids): Miracle Man, Black Hawk, Aftermath.


Personally I would say go with the Miracle Man bridge with either matching neck or a Cold Sweat, which is a bit of the lighter weight brother of the MM, neck for immense characterful chugging and fluid lead sounds. The latter is a proven combo and both should really do brilliant Trivium, Bullet, Avenged tones. At least that is the pickup I would chose for them any day of the week.
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Re: I require opinions!
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2014, 01:43:56 AM »
My first thought in reading through the list of bands was 'Blackhawk set', and given that you have taken a liking to the neck pickup that doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

It should be fine with the 6505+ combo.  Be prepared though to add some noise reduction to your budget if you go for any of the 6505 series amps. I use an ISP Decimator G-String II on my 6534+ and wouldn't be without it.  Also an MXR 10-band EQ can be very useful and is pretty much a standard edition to these amps, as is some kind of 'tubescreamer' like a Bad Monkey, which people use to drive the front end a little harder (I doubt that you would need that with Blackhawks though) but mainly to tighten up some bottom end flub arising from the 6L6 tubes. I don't have that issue with the EL34 tubes in my 6534+ so I never use my overdrive except to push the phaser a bit when using that.

Alternative pickup sets I would suggest:

Painkiller or C-Bomb (ceramic Nailbomb) in the bridge with a VHII in the neck.  I'd definitely go for a ceramic magnet in the bridge pickup in your case.  Miracle Man could also do it but I tend to think you'd be happier with one of the other options for what you describe.
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Re: I require opinions!
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2014, 10:51:06 PM »
Second on C-Bomb / VHII.  With a LP style guitar, this will rock!