Schecter ATX Solo 6 upgrade for post-metal/doom

[trysth]

^Thanks again for the details!

I agree that the Juggs are good for everything in general and maybe that's the problem. Also I love the tonality of ceramic magnets and do not care for the alnico ones (and the Juggs have both type of magnets).

The local retailer told me that the Painkillers tend to sound djenty, but I'm not totally sure myself.

[Kiichi]

The local retailer told me that the Painkillers tend to sound djenty, but I'm not totally sure myself.

They do djent well, but do not forget that they are inspired by the Judas Priest sound. They do a range of metal well, as long as agression is what you want.

[Yellowjacket]

^Thanks again for the details!

I agree that the Juggs are good for everything in general and maybe that's the problem. Also I love the tonality of ceramic magnets and do not care for the alnico ones (and the Juggs have both type of magnets).

Like I said, the overall voice (timbre) of the pickups will either appeal to you or they won't.

The local retailer told me that the Painkillers tend to sound djenty, but I'm not totally sure myself.

Oh Djent...   I think guitarist really ignore how much the PLAYER contributes to tone.  It's actually more dramatic than anyone can realize.  I was testing some gear for a friend of mine who is starting up an amp company.  With the same guitar, amp, and amp settings the tone I got was surprisingly different from the tone he got.  We're both competent players so it was really a case of how we approach the instrument. 
I think that 'Djent' is more about amp settings and an approach to playing.  Of course, a massively detuned guitar runs the risk of falling in this ballpark.

Considering that you want really gnarly mids, the C-Bomb probably is a great starting point for you.  It's really pissed off, hairy, and generally gnarly and it sounds like that's what you are looking for.

[trysth]

Yep, I think that's the best choice.

Can you tell about the top end of the C-bomb? Can you compare it to the MM?


PS Found this old thread, some may find it useful:
https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=25658.msg336556#msg336556

[Dave Sloven]

Painkiller video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68EFY0I-SxE

[Duck2587]

Thanks for the comments, guys!

@Yellowjacket - you got that right about the blackouts :) Thanks for the earlier advice. I'll try to record some unplugged sounds of the Schecter and figure it out. The C-pig was my first choice, but as I said in my first post I'm afraid the low end may be too much for the LP body (as Agent Orange confirmed it for his explorer). I forgot to mention that I tune to standard B and use DR DDT 13-65 strings. I love all the other tonal characteristics of the C-pig but the excessive bottom is a deal breaker. If someone uses it in a LP style guitar, please share some wisdom with us.

I'm not too much into Jugs because they are good for djent and chugging in general, but somehow lack some very important mids and for me always tend to sound hollow in the middle. They're not bad, just not my thing. The Aftermath is also too modern and djent-y for my taste.

Maybe I should try the MM but when I decide to change pickups I should have a clear idea about the new ones, because it will be an overall change of electronics, pots, etc (transitioning from active to passive). So I can't just try it and get it out if I don't like it.

I want someone to tell me that the C-pig will be to boomy (as I'm 99% sure), because it's the winner for now. Next in line is the C-bomb.

Seriously, not one guy has a C-pig in a LP style guitar?

Most will agree I always back up the Warpigs and black hawks the most. GO FOR IT! The Ceramic pig will sounds really good in your LP. The alnico may be too much bottom and low-mids. I have an Alnico in my superstrat and its KILLER. I have tried the C-pig in a les paul that was all mahogany and the thing was a perfect fit. If you decide you don't like the C-pig, get the black hawks. They are so clear and versatile and are perfect for shorter scaled, darker tone wood guitars. I have a set in my parker which is a Les paul scale length thats all mahogany with a baseball bat neck and they are sooooo good. If they don't work, reconsider the juggs. I feel they sound best in les paul style guitars. Just search youtube. 

[Yellowjacket]

he uses bass guitar strings on that thing  (13 - 65 for B standard), do you think it's honestly a good idea? I get a hugely beefy / thick tone with 11 - 56s on an all mahogany axe with a Rebel Yell in the bridge. 

[trysth]

Most will agree I always back up the Warpigs and black hawks the most. GO FOR IT!

Dude, don't push me :) I don't need much to get the pigs...

They are so clear and versatile and are perfect for shorter scaled, darker tone wood guitars.

The Solo ATX is actually with a 25,5" scale, so it's regular.

... reconsider the juggs. I feel they sound best in les paul style guitars. Just search youtube. 

I just don't like them, man. I know they're good, but their voicing is jut not my thing.

[Duck2587]

Most will agree I always back up the Warpigs and black hawks the most. GO FOR IT!

Dude, don't push me :) I don't need much to get the pigs...

They are so clear and versatile and are perfect for shorter scaled, darker tone wood guitars.

The Solo ATX is actually with a 25,5" scale, so it's regular.

... reconsider the juggs. I feel they sound best in les paul style guitars. Just search youtube. 

I just don't like them, man. I know they're good, but their voicing is jut not my thing.

-The C-pigs are not as dark as everyone makes them out to be. Just do it. If you don't like them, then return them and get a new pick up with BKPs return policy.

-As far as your solo ATX, if you go for the black hawks, get the alnico if you are worried about high end being too prominent with the ceramic option. If your guitar isn't too bright naturally and your amp set up isn't either, then just get the ceramic. I prefer the ceramic bridge for the BH and its still had a big sound.

-Either way, I don't think either of the two will disappoint you. If anything you will have a hard time deciding which one to keep. Hope this helps. 

[Duck2587]

he uses bass guitar strings on that thing  (13 - 65 for B standard), do you think it's honestly a good idea? I get a hugely beefy / thick tone with 11 - 56s on an all mahogany axe with a Rebel Yell in the bridge.

If it's the C-pig, absolutely. Not every Warpig pick up will sound the same-ESPECIALLY when the company hand wounds them. My first warpig I purchased I HATED but I knew BKP hand wound their stuff so I figured each one will be different and had them send me a new one and it was perfect. 

[trysth]

^ Yep, maybe you're right. I really have to check the unplugged sound of the Schecter to figure out what are the predominant frequencies. With the Blackouts it sounds very balanced, but they are compressed as shite, a bit muddy and do not give the real picture. If I hear that the lows are not insane in the unplugged sound, I'll go for the piggy.

[Duck2587]

^ Yep, maybe you're right. I really have to check the unplugged sound of the Schecter to figure out what are the predominant frequencies. With the Blackouts it sounds very balanced, but they are compressed as shitee, a bit muddy and do not give the real picture. If I hear that the lows are not insane in the unplugged sound, I'll go for the piggy.

Black Hawks really aren't as compressed as you would expect. Muddy? Not the set I have. Thats what surprised me most about them, was the clarity coupled with how big they sounded. Yes, there is compression but nothing that sounds like your head is under water. They sound more open to me. Maybe it's my set up or the set I received. Let us know what choice you make and what you think 

[Dave Sloven]

The OP is talking about the Seymour Duncan Blackout pickups currently in the guitar, not BK Black Hawks.

[Duck2587]

The OP is talking about the Seymour Duncan Blackout pickups currently in the guitar, not BK Black Hawks.

I stand corrected. Sorry for reading that wrong. I agree with the blackouts being too compressed. Ditch them! 

[trysth]

I will! :) Earlier today I heard a sample of a Baritone (not sure who the manufacturer was) 7 string with Warpig into a Diezel D-moll and it sounded very very good. I'm really considering the C-pig/CS combination.