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PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« on: December 21, 2014, 01:25:04 PM »
Having just purchased a new PRS SE custom 24, I was a little disappointed with the tone of the guitar, compared to my older PRS SE Custom 22. (or I should say both of my custom 22's).

I expected it to sound a bit different due to the different neck wood and more so due to the neck pickup position which is obviously different due to the extra 2 frets. (Actually the tremolo bridge is in quite a different position too, as a result of the different neck, despite being the same scale length. So all these changes will influence the tone).

Anyway, (as usual) this got me interested in the actual pickups, compared to my other 2 SE's, so I did a comparison of all three guitars tone, and pickup impedance measurements. What I found was quite surprising, and not what I expected based on all of the information I had seen previously about the pickups.

PRS SE Custom 22 about 7 years old. Sounds great clean and dirty, (which is why I later bought another custom 22 in a different colour) More output generally and a fuller sound particularly the neck pickup. Certainly not overly bright but great balance, and good mid punch.

PRS SE Custom 22 about 4 years old. Also sounds great, but is different from the older one. Slightly less output, a little brighter sounding overall and less mid range. the difference is quite noticeable when doing a direct A-B comparison, but not so much that it would be noticeable if you played these guitars in isolation.

PRS SE Custom 24 about 1 month old. Noticeably, less output than both 22's, and much brighter thinner sound, particularly the neck pickup. It doesn't sound "bad" but is VERY different than the others and not what I was hoping for. However, it is still a great guitar and the coil tapping option is very useable for more "Strat" type tones.

As a side note: the neck profile is quite different on the Custom 24, being the Wide Thin as opposed to Wide Fat on the 22's, which I actually prefer.

Due to the above differences in tone I checked the pickup impedances, and the results are below.

Older Custom 22 - Neck 14.14 ohms - Bridge 14.92 ohms (both much higher than expected)

Newer custom 22 - Neck 9.07 ohms - Bridge 9.63 ohms (Closer to expected)

New Custom 24 - Neck 8.60 ohms - Bridge 14.25 ohms (big difference between the two, and bridge a lot higher than I expected)

As you can see the results are quite different, and not what I expected.

Interestingly the pickups on the older Custom 22 have 4 core conductors with the green/white cables joined together and insulated at the control cavity end of the cables. These pickups will therefor allow for a simple coil tapping/splitting modification.
The newer Custom 22 has only 2 core conductor cables.
The cables on the new Custom 24 are obviously 4 conductor cables with the green/whites connected to the push/pull pot for coil splitting option.

So, there you go. I would be interesting to see what results other PRS SE owners get, as there is always a lot of discussion on the web regarding the pickups fitted etc.

PS. The impedance measurements were taken in-situ at the jack socket, with volume on full and tone rolled right back. I know that the reading will not be exactly the same as measuring with the pickup wiring disconnected, but it is close enough, particularly for this comparison.     

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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2014, 01:32:10 PM »
And will you change them for BKP's?
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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2014, 01:47:51 PM »
Good question...

I would not change the older 22's pickups because I like them too much.

I might, at some point, try the Crawlers in my Custom 24, as I already have a pair. (Currently fitted in my old Line 6 Variax 700).
Yes, that's right, before anyone questions what I wrote...I added 2 humbuckers to my Variax 700 a long time ago. (Well before the Tyler Variax was even conceived)!

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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2014, 02:35:39 PM »
Abraxas and Crawlers perform very well in most PRS's. Nice splitted tones too.
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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2014, 12:36:49 PM »
Great. Thanks for the heads up of the crawlers in PRS. when time permits, I will give them a try.

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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2014, 12:52:43 PM »
I swapped out PRS pups from my Bernie Marsden and replaced them with a set of Mules.
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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2014, 01:18:34 PM »
I swapped out PRS pups from my Bernie Marsden and replaced them with a set of Mules.

Mules are one my fav BKP's, in the right guitar. They will sound great in a balanced to darker sounding PRS. For a brighter PRS I would go Abraxas or Crawler though.
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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2014, 11:33:13 AM »
I swapped out PRS pups from my Bernie Marsden and replaced them with a set of Mules.

Mules are one my fav BKP's, in the right guitar. They will sound great in a balanced to darker sounding PRS. For a brighter PRS I would go Abraxas or Crawler though.



Yeah Tele I may look at Crawlers at a later date I got the Mules from someone on a local forum and a good price they had been already taken from his PRS shame he'd cut the wiring to length though as I might have looked at a trade on here. They are a bit bright in the PRS but i'm just compensating using the tone to take it down a notch.
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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2014, 11:45:47 AM »
I swapped out PRS pups from my Bernie Marsden and replaced them with a set of Mules.

Mules are one my fav BKP's, in the right guitar. They will sound great in a balanced to darker sounding PRS. For a brighter PRS I would go Abraxas or Crawler though.



Yeah Tele I may look at Crawlers at a later date I got the Mules from someone on a local forum and a good price they had been already taken from his PRS shame he'd cut the wiring to length though as I might have looked at a trade on here. They are a bit bright in the PRS but i'm just compensating using the tone to take it down a notch.

Did you tweak the height? Another option is a higher value capacitor.
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: PRS SE Pickups comparison. Intersting?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2014, 06:25:00 PM »
I swapped out PRS pups from my Bernie Marsden and replaced them with a set of Mules.

Mules are one my fav BKP's, in the right guitar. They will sound great in a balanced to darker sounding PRS. For a brighter PRS I would go Abraxas or Crawler though.



Yeah Tele I may look at Crawlers at a later date I got the Mules from someone on a local forum and a good price they had been already taken from his PRS shame he'd cut the wiring to length though as I might have looked at a trade on here. They are a bit bright in the PRS but i'm just compensating using the tone to take it down a notch.

Did you tweak the height? Another option is a higher value capacitor.



Sometimes a fresh pair of eyes  sees the obvious the height might do it
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Keith
Gibson 2000 Honeyburst Standard/10th Anniversaries
Bernie Marsden PRS SE/Miss.Queen/Mule.
Orange Dual Terror Head
Zilla 2x12 cab