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crankyrayhanky

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Jugg Zebra flip in a HP special
« on: January 01, 2015, 07:27:33 PM »
Happy New Year!

I ordered an open Juggernaut set in Zebra for my Peavey HP Special. This is how the guitar looks stock:


So now I realize the stock bridge is Zebra, the neck is reverse zebra.
Would it be a huge tonal difference if I had the neck installed upside down so that I could keep the original look?
Note that the pickups on this new Jugg set are all screws, as opposed to screws and pole pieces

I'll pick tone over cosmetics, so I'll put them in as designed if needed; it'll still still look fine and iI expect it will sound awesome

Thanks!
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2015, 08:40:10 PM »
Thing with that is that symmetrical humbuckers do not change much if at all noticably. When the coils are offset however (asymmetrical), there is a change, which IIRC should usually mean a tad rounder on the neck if the slug coil is the stronger one.

The Jugg neck is based on the VHII neck, which IIRC is offset. So if I am not mistaken turning it around should make it rounder and fuller as the more powerful coil is closer to the neck. It is hard to guess how big the difference is, but I recon it is noticable. Could be great, could not be your kind of thing.

To be save though IŽd ask BKP themselfs too.
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2015, 08:42:18 PM »
Thanks^

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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2015, 03:22:21 PM »
and here's the reply by Tim, posted for future reference in case anyone is searching (like me next year, lol):
The Juggernaut humbuckers have symmetrically wound coils so you can orientate them in either direction and it won't affect the tone.

Pickups ready later this week from my tech, I am stoked!

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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2015, 03:45:03 PM »
So the Juggset is bad ass no matter way they are in the cavity.
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2015, 09:24:25 PM »
Don't you have to flip certain wires, though? I remember reading somewhere about the Air Norton, and when people flipped it like Petrucci did, I'm sure they said you needed to reverse a couple wires. I could be wrong though.
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2015, 12:51:14 AM »
I had my Cold Sweat flipped in the neck for a while, no bad effects, did look a little odd though (I have covers). advantage of it was that i could wind the pole pieces up a bit more given the neck angle.  that had more effect on the tone than the flipping per se.  The CS is a symmetric wind
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2015, 09:12:13 AM »
The Juggernauts are symmetrically wound and have screws on both coils so as long as they are wired in correctly the orientation wont have an effect on the tone. 

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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2015, 11:49:04 AM »
both pickups in that image are zebra.

screw coil = white
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2015, 10:24:54 PM »
both pickups in that image are zebra.

screw coil = white
Oh cr@p, I can't get my head around the whole zebra confusion
Standard Wolfs look like this color scheme, screws on the bottom:


My black HP has screws on the outside, white on the outside (?)

The more I think about Zebra, the more it hurts....HP is ready and will be picked up today. My tech mentioned something about how flipping it would give a different split coil that will be different than the popular inside coil. No matter, I hardly split, and it may be cool anyway...tune in later to (hopefully) read about my Jugg HP glee!

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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 09:05:35 AM »
The red guitar has two reverse-zebra pickups. screw coils=black.

if you have four conductor wiring you can split whichever coil you like, just need to wire it a different way. You won't notice too much of a difference either way to be honest.

my advice: be cool! i'm sure it will all come out looking and sounding just grand.
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 12:43:04 PM »
The red guitar has two reverse-zebra pickups. screw coils=black.

if you have four conductor wiring you can split whichever coil you like, just need to wire it a different way. You won't notice too much of a difference either way to be honest.

my advice: be cool! i'm sure it will all come out looking and sounding just grand.

That's why I mentioned the switching wires part. Couldn't remember the reason. But that pretty much sums it up.
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2015, 06:34:45 AM »
Thanks for all the replies. The guitar zebra looks like the stock and sounds beastly. Too much fun playing to post pics and details, but will soon. BK rules!

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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2015, 02:39:34 PM »
Thanks for all the replies. The guitar zebra looks like the stock and sounds beastly. Too much fun playing to post pics and details, but will soon. BK rules!

don't forget to lets us know how it goes!
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Re: Help needed: Jugg Zebra flip??
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2015, 09:48:53 AM »
I second that ^