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« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2006, 04:16:51 PM »
do non-master volume amps sound a lot better? is it worth getting a bypass circuit put in? can that be done? sorry for the slight off-topicness
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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2006, 05:59:18 PM »
^well it depends on what you're after... you aren't going to play metalcore on a non-master volume amp, lol

but yeah, apparently the less bells and whistles, the better the tone- of course then you have much fewer options.

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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2006, 06:41:31 AM »
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yeah, orange are expensive aren't they?! i thought that too... i know laney goes for a more budget construction method, no idea what orange do construction-wise, but for that price i'd have thought it might even be hand wired.


Well Orange and Matamp used to be the same company once long ago, Matamp has moved in a more bespoke direction since then, with Orange becoming more oriented in the mass production direction, although retaining the tone and quality inherant to their reputation.

I'm not sure, but I've got a good idea they're done point to point. And the AD series are class A apparetly, but I don't know if this is really class A or what Vox considers class A.... which basicly isn't. It's A/B biased hot enough to be A when clean, but as the dirt creeps in it becomes A/B, so I'm told. I hope I'm remembering that right. :lol:

Either way, aside from the forgetable "Orange Crush" amps, they seem to be built very heavily (therefore durably) in a similar vein to HiWatt or Matamp. The AD series sound fantastic, and the Rocker series I've not played *but* they have had good reviews, and though it's a bit irrelevant the bands I've seen with Oranges in their backline tend to sound good. But that never means much when you take into account things like ghost building etc.

http://orangeamps.com/rocker/reviews/review50100.htm I think that's from the month where they had Buddy Guy on the front.

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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2006, 09:43:39 AM »
Well the Rockerverb series is ALL pcb albeit with what it seems like good components all around (Demeter trannies).

I just wish i could find a 30 to 50W head, with chassis mounted valves/pots/jacks/switches, and a good MV to make it sound good at low volumes (like the RV50) for the tones i listed.

Price? up to 1000-1100GBP.

Any ideas would be GREATLY appreciated.
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2006, 12:06:12 PM »
Can't go wrong with Matamp.

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2006, 12:27:48 PM »
I think I've played all the modern Oranges ( :D ) and the RVs are the best IMO, especially the twin channel one, which was surprising! At stage volume the higher gain channel on the RV sounds better than a boosted AD30 as far as tightness/richness goes.
They all sound good in a workhorse sort of a way........no matter what Jeff@Matamp says about the cost of Orange's components!


That said, I reckon you've got to try a Matamp King Street head before you buy either. Frankly it's just bloody fantastic for the type of sounds you described. Yeah its 15 watts, but I've played the majority of new Matamps side by side ( :D  :D !) and its surprising how little volume difference there is between, for example, the KS and one of the 80 watt GTOs or GTLs. It's a cliche but it is a loud 15 watts!
Try it you'll love it!
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2006, 12:33:45 PM »
Forgot to add it's only - ahem 'only' - 700 quid as well! So you could almost buy the KS AND the Laney!
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2006, 05:41:43 PM »
Good point man, i ll try to test a King Street at some point. Is is PTP?

Does it have good low volume performance as the Orange RV50 does?

I am also considering a Zinky Blue Velvet.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2006, 07:38:43 PM »
I can't vouch for its low vol. performance, I just turned it to 12 o'clock and beyond straight away. I've heard that all Matamps sound better when they're turned up, which I think is true based on the one overdrive-biased Matamp I've tried at low volumes, the C7. However, the KS does have a preamp gain knob where the C7 is relying on power stage overdrive.

It is 'turret-tag' wired - from looking over their tech's shoulder everything appears to be wired on to a central strip which contains the majority of its components laid out along its length. Apparently Hi-Watts were done in a similar fashion. Basically it's hand wired and there's no PCBs!

Guitarist mag did have one or two criticisms re. the Blue Velvet. Considering this magazine (as with most, to be honest) gives out gold awards etc like it's reviewing play school kids, probably means it's not very good for the price.

Check out www.matamp.co.uk

BTW I called Jeff@Matamp half an hour ago and put down a deposit on a Chino combo......which should give you an idea of how much I rate them! :D
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2006, 08:27:56 PM »
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I can't vouch for its low vol. performance, I just turned it to 12 o'clock and beyond straight away. I've heard that all Matamps sound better when they're turned up, which I think is true based on the one overdrive-biased Matamp I've tried at low volumes, the C7. However, the KS does have a preamp gain knob where the C7 is relying on power stage overdrive.

It is 'turret-tag' wired - from looking over their tech's shoulder everything appears to be wired on to a central strip which contains the majority of its components laid out along its length. Apparently Hi-Watts were done in a similar fashion. Basically it's hand wired and there's no PCBs!

Guitarist mag did have one or two criticisms re. the Blue Velvet. Considering this magazine (as with most, to be honest) gives out gold awards etc like it's reviewing play school kids, probably means it's not very good for the price.

Check out www.matamp.co.uk

BTW I called Jeff@Matamp half an hour ago and put down a deposit on a Chino combo......which should give you an idea of how much I rate them! :D


Ah well, i dont trust ANY magazine for any review, either guitar or bike mags. I have heard the best about Zinkies and talked to Bruce Zinky himself, he is one of the few around to treat the customer like a human and not a purse.

I just havent heard a Zinky before.
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2006, 09:02:16 PM »
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he is one of the few around to treat the customer like a human and not a purse.


Well in my book then his amps deserve an audition at least!
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2006, 09:24:56 PM »
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he is one of the few around to treat the customer like a human and not a purse.


Well in my book then his amps deserve an audition at least!


You bet, i just wish more shops carried them
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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2006, 09:52:26 PM »
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Guitarist mag did have one or two criticisms re. the Blue Velvet. Considering this magazine (as with most, to be honest) gives out gold awards etc like it's reviewing play school kids, probably means it's not very good for the price.


+1

You have to read between the lines with magazine reviews (if not just totally take them with a pinch of salt lol.

Magazine: "the valves get a little overheated, but this shouldn't cause any long term concern"

reality: the amp didn't work. at all. and then set fire to their office.

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2006, 09:53:46 PM »
lol
thats too funny not to be close to truth :)
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2006, 10:38:00 PM »
True, but i dont trust them in general so...
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