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Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« on: July 30, 2015, 02:50:16 PM »
Greetings! Thank you in advance for any advice/insights you can share with me.

I'm making a les Paul. It has an African mahogany body with a plain maple cap. The neck is mahogany with an ebony fretboard. I'm struggling to pin down which BKP humbuckers to use.

My original plan was to use a VHII set, but after reading some reviews, I'm afraid of it sounding too thin. I know ebony fingerboard shove guitars a brighter sound.

My second idea is to use an abraxas set. I'm a little hesitant with this because there aren't a lot of reviews of the abraxas compared to other sets.

Anyway, I'm open to any advice you may have! One thing I try to avoid in pickups is a really strong mid range (I much prefer the vh2 over the black dog, for example).

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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2015, 03:08:50 PM »
There been quite some cheers for the Abraxas lately:

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32836.0

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32642.0

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=28380.0

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=32455.0

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/swapped-out-a-throbak-for-a-bare-knuckles-abraxas.1356562/


The VHII is a noncompressed, focussed, for a vintagepickup fairly hot pickup. You can really steer the pickup with your volumeknob and pickattack. When you dig in, it screams. It's a great rockpickup with a good amount of bass. I have one in ash Fender Am. Series HSS. For a Les Paul they can be good if you're looking for that sound (dynamic, noncompressed a tad dry).

The Abraxas is juicier and beefier. in fact it is a hotrodded Mule with the same AIV-magnet, yet more mids, less topend (but still chimey), a bit more output and compression.

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« Last Edit: July 30, 2015, 03:14:41 PM by Telerocker »
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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2015, 03:38:44 PM »
didn't try the vhII with ebony board les pauls, but I doubt that the board alone would make it thin soundiing
only had them in a rosewood board japanese lp copy and in a gibson lp standardwith regular rosewood board
they sounded pretty thick in both of them
you'll probably get more attack, but not less body


the riff raff in my 1973 les paul custom has a thicker magnet than usual, which was Tim recommendation, and he said that would deliver a bit more output and bass than a regular riff raff, so it's a lot like a vhII but with a little more mids, and this pup doesn't sound thin at all in this guitar
the guitar has a very snappy attack indeed (probably due to its ultra thin mahogany neck as well), but also a deep low mid heavy sound

the vhII has a thick and bassy sound, but doesn't have much mids, so sits somewhere between the riff raff and a cold sweat voicings (the cold sweat sounded amazing in the same les paul custom the riff raff is at)
it's also one of the most punchy, dry and articulate sounding bkp models, rather than a fat smooth PAF
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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2015, 05:46:37 PM »
The Abraxas is the more natural choice for a Les Paul. Should balance perfectly really
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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2015, 11:14:56 PM »
The ebony will give a sizzle to the top end so pickup choice needs to be considered
A VH2 will work well but if you find you have too much top end one easy solution is to swap the value of the volume pot for a lower value
Whilst I love the BKP/CTS 500k pots if I need to dial down the top end I might choose a 500k CTS which is a little under spec (all pots have a +/- 10% tolerance and many 500k pots read at 450k ohms)
This could certainly rescue an overly bright situation.

the Abraxas would be maybe a bit warmer but it is hotter and the VH2 does have a special something to be fair.

Alo don't overlook the black Dog - has a darker tonality to it and similar power to VH2
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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2015, 02:03:31 AM »
Thank you all for the feedback. There are a couple of adjectives used that I don't know the definition of. What does it mean to sound dry (used to describe VHII), and what does it mean to sound juicy (used to describe Abraxas). This may sound dumb, but I really want to choose the right pickup.
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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2015, 03:09:30 AM »
I meant that the VHII has a snappy and fast response to picking attack rather than a soft/smooth response like some might expect from a "PAF on steroids"
but definitely not a thin sounding pickup at all, and it's medium bright only
not as bright as a riff raff or cold sweat
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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2015, 04:18:29 AM »
I have a set of cold sweats. My goal was to get a set similar in voicing but less output. Sounds like maybe the VHII fits that pretty well. Does the uncompressed nature of the VHII affect its sustain?

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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2015, 05:21:49 AM »
I meant that the VHII has a snappy and fast response to picking attack rather than a soft/smooth response like some might expect from a "PAF on steroids"
but definitely not a thin sounding pickup at all, and it's medium bright only
not as bright as a riff raff or cold sweat

I meant that more or less with ''dry'' and ''juicy''.
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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2015, 06:33:17 AM »
I have a set of cold sweats. My goal was to get a set similar in voicing but less output. Sounds like maybe the VHII fits that pretty well. Does the uncompressed nature of the VHII affect its sustain?

yeah, sounds like you might enjoy the vhII
the neck model is quite different from the neck cold sweat, though
similar output, but more bass, less mids and a smoother top

no, it sustains nicely for such an uncompressed pup


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Re: Advice needed: Les Paul with Ebony fingerboard
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2015, 09:11:46 AM »
The VHII neck will definitely not sound thin - I had it in three different guitars and it always sounded fat with a firm low end. I'd be wary of the VHII bridge with the ebony board though.

I am using the Crawler bridge with the VHII neck but I guess the Abraxas bridge would work equally well.

Cheers Stephan