which amp for this crushing tone?

[gwEm]

some sort of mesa boogie? a mini-recto? or is there a cheap option? maybe a pedal even a pedal into my JCM800?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i5dV3pzG7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTMH8W4ihVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxGz8yN03Lo

[CommonCourtesy]

Hmm, could do that sound with a JCM800 with an overdrive, a lot of heavier bands are now reverting back to one after stints with modern higher gain amps like Orange/Mesa, etc. Even I'm tempted to go back to a JCM800 cranked!

The dual rectifier has that tighter sorta grainy crunch sound, maybe channel 2 with a boost?

And I like the ladies in the second video link haha.

[Dave Sloven]

You could probably get that sort of sound with a Peavey JSX.  There was one advertised here recently for under $900.  Considering that they were originally $2500+ that means that prices have dropped.  They are a good reliable amp, but can do with some biasing and maybe a revalve. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohEZTGjEVss

[gwEm]

Good and interesting thoughts, thanks.

Kruspe (Rammstein/Emigrate) and the Nightwish guitarist both use Mesa Rectifiers. But I'm not convinced a Mesa is the only way to do that sound.

I've been puzzling over this for a while. I do love that tight gainy crunch! I've been looking at various ways to update my sound for a while for some new material I'm working on.

Of course I've tried quite a few pedals with my JCM800 over the years. Anything I do with it sounds very classic. However it does sound godly, and is very 'feel good' to play. It might be the pedals I've tried, or maybe the way I set it up.

I also heard about the Wampler Triple Wreck pedal, but I listened to some clips and it seems to sound very fizzy.

[gwEm]

You could probably get that sort of sound with a Peavey JSX.

I just listened to some clips and it does sound very good!!

[gwEm]

Hmm, could do that sound with a JCM800 with an overdrive

Anything in particular you would suggest?

And I like the ladies in the second video link haha.

Yes! But its disturbing the way the morph into grizzly metal guys. Probably the effect they wanted!

[CommonCourtesy]

Hmm, could do that sound with a JCM800 with an overdrive

Anything in particular you would suggest?

And I like the ladies in the second video link haha.

Maybe a Zakk Wylde overdrive? The tubescreamer type ones seem a bit too metal-ly but its a matter of taste.

I have a Wampler Triple Wreck, but I don't use that as a boost, more of a pedal into a clean amp to give me my overdrive sound. Useful when rehearsing in places with cr@p backline or my main gig amp goes down on the night.

[gwEm]

Not sure about an overdrive. I went through my selection again tonight and it all still ends up sounding more or less like a Marshall.

edit: I'll check some clips of the ZW though. At this point I'm open minded to all kinds of suggestions.

[Dave Sloven]

You could probably get that sort of sound with a Peavey JSX.

I just listened to some clips and it does sound very good!!

As the guy says in the video it has since been reissued as the XXX 2 after the endorsement deal with Satriani ended.  Which is a totally different amp from the original XXX, which is now available as the 3120, just to make things confusing.

Personally I think the JSX looks sexier than its reboot

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-equipment/143636-peavey-introduces-triple-xxx-ii-2.html

[gwEm]

You could probably get that sort of sound with a Peavey JSX.

I just listened to some clips and it does sound very good!!

As the guy says in the video it has since been reissued as the XXX 2 after the endorsement deal with Satriani ended.  Which is a totally different amp from the original XXX, which is now available as the 3120, just to make things confusing.

Personally I think the JSX looks sexier than its reboot

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gear-equipment/143636-peavey-introduces-triple-xxx-ii-2.html

What do you think about the 5150/6505 line? It is hard to say on youtube, but listening to youtube they don't seem too far from what I'm after. Principally, I could get an old 5150 with the cool block logo, or they also have the 6505 mini which would maybe be more practical.

Though I must say the clips I heard of the XXX/JSX do sound closer to what I want. And, as you say, are a bit of a bargain on the used market.

In truth any of the amps discussed would be closer than the JCM800. Its true I can get the right amount of gain and tightness with pedal, but it still has that open/punky British sounding mid range rather than that thick modern American one.

[Dave Sloven]

What do you think about the 5150/6505 line? It is hard to say on youtube, but listening to youtube they don't seem too far from what I'm after. Principally, I could get an old 5150 with the cool block logo, or they also have the 6505 mini which would maybe be more practical.

Though I must say the clips I heard of the XXX/JSX do sound closer to what I want. And, as you say, are a bit of a bargain on the used market.

In truth any of the amps discussed would be closer than the JCM800. Its true I can get the right amount of gain and tightness with pedal, but it still has that open/punky British sounding mid range rather than that thick modern American one.

Sounds like you might like the 6534+, which is what I own.  I think it is a great amp and in the USA you can find them for good prices.  Even here in Australia there are a few good deals on them still.  More mids and more punky than a 6505.

The same guy who did the other video on the JSX did one on the 6534+

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT2kY8Va9jU

For all 6505 series amps an ISP Decimator is pretty much mandatory.  I have the G-String unit (the more expensive one which has a sensor to detect the end of 'tails'). An EQ pedal is also a good investment.  People tend to use a tubescreamer to 'tighten' the 6L6 models (6505/6505+) but I have found this to be redundant on the EL34 model.  A clean boost like my MXR / CAE boost / linedriver can be good if you want boost but the 'hump' of a tubescreamer is not needed.  The bottom end of a 534+ is quite tight and it has more mids.  I think it is the closest out of the 6505 range to the JSX.

Here's a video of guy playing 7-string BKP Juggernauts - djent style or course - through one (3:25):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzNFSIKm8Ag

This video compares it to the 6505+ ... the guy is a bit of a douchebag but it gives some idea of the difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4x7p9m-xGA

I prefer this guy's playing but the commentary is in German:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACqmSjl7QWc

[Slartibartfarst42]

The 6505 or 6534 were two I thought of immediately and another one I'd consider is an Orange TH30. It has absolutely loads of gain available and putting some really good valves in it makes a big difference. It has a fantastic clean channel, more gain than most will ever use, the effects loop is superb, it's very reasonably priced and a bargain on the used market. It's also the loudest amp I've ever owned. I can play a gig on the 7w setting!

[gwEm]

Some very good tips here. This forum always comes up with useful advice. Thanks all!

[littleredguitars2]

yeah i bet a mesa would nail those tones pretty easily. same with some of the peaveys like the new mini 6505. that thing looks nice!

[Toe-Knee]

This to me sounds like a straight up SLO with depth mod.

You could easily achieve this sound with any amp though with the right valve + boost selection.

The quickest route for me to get this would be the MKIIC+ or the SLO with no boost.