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Wanting to put my new gear (a Mesa Mini-Recto and Jet City attenuator) to work immediately in my studio I decided to experiment with some recording solutions.

These are more or less speaker sims combined with a DI box. They can plug into pedals or the preamp output without a load, or in series with the speakers/attenuator.

I tried three places for the simulators - on the output of the preamp, on the line output of the attenuator, and in between the amp and the attenuator. By far the best of these was in between the amp and the attenuator. They all sounded ok, but the preamp out just didn't have the balls provided by the power tubes. The output of the attenuator sounded a little dark.

Firstly I got a cheap and cheerful Behringer GI100. It comes in a pretty red colour and seems well made. Actually it did a great job, considering it cost £20 secondhand. The speaker sim is active, requiring phantom power. That was no problem what so ever. The sound of the sim was good, but I found the mid range sounded a little "plastic". I needed to apply some parametric EQ on the desk, to scoop the mids just a smidgen at around 900Hz.

Seeing the Palmer PDI-03 Joe Bonamassa had more alot  controls to adjust the sound, and judging by the Palmer reputation I decided to immediately upgrade. I got a bit of a deal and paid £100 for the Palmer. It is a passive unit requiring no phantom power. I would say it sounds twice as good as the Behringer, rather than five times as good. There is a deep switch for controlling the bass. The effect is quite subtle and works on the very low end. In fact all the positions sounded good, I marginally preferred the deepest setting. There is also a control for brightness with three settings. The bright setting is surely bright, too much for me really, the mellow setting lost too much high end, it might be good for jazzy cleans possibly, but the only useful setting in my opinion was the normal mode. Finally there is a "JB" switch, which is a mid boost. The middle option for this provides a big kick in the upper mids, it does sound good, but its a little too much for me. The highest option is only a little more of a mid boost and is scarcely worth having. I would make the middle option the highest, and add an intermediate setting. After much testing in the end I decided to leave the JB switch in the off position.

I see Palmer also sells a PDI-09 which only has the brightness switch for about £60. Considering my testing of the Joe Bonamassa unit, it looks like a decent option. The deep switch is a nice thing to have, but I could live without it for the extra £40 since its a more subtle control.

Perhaps the extra controls will be useful in a live situation, I only wish the JB switch was less powerful.
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Re: Speaker sim review - Behringer GI100, Palmer PDI-03 Joe Bonamassa
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2015, 04:38:05 PM »
that's interesting.  How close would you say the palmer gets to the sound of your actual cab? Or does it just have a character of it's own?  since you seem quite plaesed, I'm assuming the final recorded sound is good.  Would certainly be easier than Miking up an amp
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Re: Speaker sim review - Behringer GI100, Palmer PDI-03 Joe Bonamassa
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2015, 08:31:48 PM »
I don't think it does sound that close to the actual cab. It does sound good, but it's more like it sounds like a fantasy cabinet all of its own. But it sounds close enough so that I can monitor through my actual cab for playing.

The convienience is brilliant for sure. I don't mind micing up a cab, but I find the mic always gets knocked and I have to wait until people are out so I can crank it a bit. It also means you always get the same sound, which is good if you play in different venues with varying quality of sound engineers.

The whole setup I have with the Palmer and the attenuator certainly sounds better than any modeller I have tried. So yes I am quite pleased.
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Re: Speaker sim review - Behringer GI100, Palmer PDI-03 Joe Bonamassa
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2015, 01:52:58 AM »
it's pretty interesting.  I've checked out a few reviews and videos today, and it certainly seems quite well regarded.  At the very least, it would be a useful tool to have around the studio, and I can definitely see why bands are using them live.  Now I have to make the choice between the PD-09 or the slightly higher specced Bonamassa :)
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Re: Speaker sim review - Behringer GI100, Palmer PDI-03 Joe Bonamassa
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2015, 05:30:54 PM »
I've been recording alot with the PDI-03 Bonamassa over Christmas.

I've come to the conclusion that, used with my Jet City Attenuator, I never had such a good sounding and convenient recording setup.

Previously recording guitars at home was a chore and a task I didn't look forward to. Now, in combination with my old Alesis USB mixer, the whole thing is as convenient as using my SansAmp gear, but better sounding.

I wish now that I'd have got an attenuator and Palmer unit years ago.

I can tweak the recorded sound on headphone monitors without any sound coming from my cabinet, and then kick in the cab for actual recording. All straight into my computer. Recording has become a ridiculously simple process. Even the latency of the Alesis mixer and my ancient Mac has turned out to be alot lower than I expected. I see no reason to use my digital multi-track any longer.

The whole thing doubles as my practice rig and I can leave the recording gear setup all the time.
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Re: Speaker sim review - Behringer GI100, Palmer PDI-03 Joe Bonamassa
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2015, 05:55:31 PM »
Real amp + attenuator + spkr sim + impulse responses can yield stellar results!
I am still doing it old school: amp/cap/mic ... but there are now many ways so skin that particular cat. It's all about getting it done, though, at the end of the day.

These days I am getting away from directional microphones altogether and have been using Earthworks omni microphones ... omi mics sound so much better, imo, though a bit more thought, care, and 'pre mixing' needs to go into it...

Can't wait to hear the fruit of your labours!

The new song I'm working on goes the COMPLETE OPPOSITE direction -- this is 100% synths ... even the guitars are synths. It was played entirely on guitar using Jam Origin MIDI Guitar 2 as my controller and MIDI converter, then re amped through my outboard synths.

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