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NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« on: February 06, 2016, 12:13:02 PM »
I forgot to do one of these for my newish tele just before christmas... but I ain't forgetting for this one, OH MY GOODNESS.

It's a brand new 2016 Gibson SG 61 Reissue.

They were discontinued in 2012, and I've been kicking myself for not getting one ever since.

Well, it seems they've started making them again and they're appearing in the UK as "Proprietary Run" guitars.

Just took delivery of mine this morning. Here's some doodles I recorded on my laptop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXYQioyxAV8
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2016, 01:58:58 PM »
Congrats mate. Looks like an SG and sounds good! (can you tell I am not the biggest SG fan?)

How is this different from other SGs though, wonder about that.
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2016, 02:51:58 PM »
I don't know all the in and outs of the differences, but...

The model was meant to be a faithful reproduction of the original SGs when they first appeared. But a standard model, not a custom shop guitar. They were discontinued when the wood raids and stuff happened. The SG fanatics have been going "when is the 61 RI going back into production?" but have been fearing that Gibson were only going to do it as a custom shop thing rather than one of the standard models.

Back in November or so, some folks in the US were going "omigod, look 61 RIs in this shop, even though they're not on the Gibson lists". They disappeared, reappeared, folks were arguing as to what they actually were. Apparently in early Jan some appeared in the UK. Rumour has that it that the guitar is now "back in production officially" even though it's not mentioned as part of the 2016 range or marketed by Gibson so far.

Anyways, the neck is "slim 60s taper" - it's VERY slim compared to my Faded SG and Les Paul, I think it's even thinner than my Explorer. But it feels "wide" - it's very fast.

The headstock is loads larger than the Les Paul and later SGs (so danger of severe neck dive if you don't put a decent strap on).

It has the small pickguard as opposed to the "batwing" that has pickups mounted on it (and the bridge mounted through it).

It comes with 57 Classics as stock pickups (although I'll probably replace those).

The "tune-o-matic" bridge is the original ABR-1 design rather than the Nashville - although this might prove to be a problem for me when I put heavier strings on, the ABR has less travel for intonation adjustment. But the real cork-sniffers reckon the ABR gives better tone or something (screws straight into the body, rather than into mounting bushes). Who knows? It sounds great and is all in tune at the moment...

The body shape is slightly different than later/modern SGs. I'd always heard this, but now I can see exactly what they mean with it side-by-side with my Faded. The bevels on the edge are much more pronounced (the edge of the guitar is loads thinner) but "softer" in shape. It makes the guitar look bigger from the front but much more feminine from anything but straight on.

There's probably some other stuff - but I'm not a real expert SG-sniffer! I was drawn to them originally because Vince Melouny played one in The Bee Gees in the 60s. Also, sound-wise, they're kinda closer to what a strat does, so they've been the Gibsons that a strat-player like me always wonders about... Then, of course, there's Angus (I'm trying REAL hard to stop playing Angus stuff... but it just kinda sneaks out!)
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2016, 03:15:20 PM »
Great guitar. The pups sound pretty good - what are you thinking of replacing them with? I love SGs. Probably THE coolest looking guitar.

Some SG goodness that isn't Angus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53QAuOoSgc
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 03:26:12 PM »
That actually sounds like the kind of SG IŽd get if I ever look for one. ^^
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 03:38:02 PM »
What a cool video!

I'm thinking Stormy Mondays - but I'll be changing strings to 11s and living with that first, to get a feel for where we might be heading. I also want to check out what's under the hood in comparison to my Les Paul Traditional. I'm not getting the same sort of response out of the volume controls.

In the LP, I replaced the 57/57+ with Stormies and it was "oh good grief, yes". I quite like the 57s, and can live with them quite happily. In the past I've replaced them with Mules and Riff Raffs, liked the results but they're kind of different - you can tell you've put something different in. When I put the SMs into the LP it was like it was before but even better, sweeter, more articulate, more responsive - but still the same sort of tone as it was before.

I want to see what happens to this guitar when I put 11s on and then decide from there. I'm more than happy to stick with the 57s for a while. Mind you, I said that with the LP, and I had the SMs in there within weeks! (Having said that, SMs were new to me then and I was keen to check them out)
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2016, 04:16:24 PM »
The reason why it was discontinued after 2012 was that in the 2013 model year the Standard was so close to the 2012 '61 RI that it was considered redundant.  With the return to the 2011/2102 'batwing' style for the Standards the RI becomes viable again.
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2016, 04:21:59 PM »
with the ABR you need to be ectra careful that your bridge is set up properly and the strings do not touch the back of the bridge.  Otherwise not only will the bridge bend and collapse but the stud holes in the wood will be damaged.  As long as the tailpiece is set high enough for them to clear it will be fine.  You can lower the tailpiece more if you top wrap the strings.

As far as I am aware the ABR-1 is the main difference from the 2013 Standard, which had a Nashville bridge.
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 04:33:59 PM »
Ah! That makes sense... I wasn't paying attention in 2013... but end of 2014 I was thinking "I could just do with one of they 61 re-issues" and found they were no more!

I think that's when I found the mini tune stuff and brass nuts in the shops. Ended up getting my Les Paul Trad (a 2012) instead.

And, yep, luckily I tend to run my tailpieces higher than some prefer. I was looking at it earlier thinking "you wanna careful that those ABR mountings don't go south when you put heavier strings on".

This guitar at the moment seems pretty much "high nut", bridge as low as it will go with, I assume, 10s.
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2016, 06:51:23 PM »
Looks great! I do prefer the smaller pick guard, the large one is the only thing I don't like about my standard. Got to love an SG, probably my favourite guitar design!

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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 08:04:20 PM »
Looks and sounds great. I agree about the pickguard, I don't like the batwing one at all.

More importantly though, that is a fine looking candelabra! :)
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2016, 02:30:15 AM »
Congrats! The reussies look fab. I like them, but I can't get on with SG's somehow.
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2016, 08:12:13 AM »
Ha! Ha! The candelabra - had it for years. Used to put it on stage on top of my amp in the 80s.
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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2016, 11:34:31 AM »
sweet :grin:

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Re: NGD - SG 61 Reissue
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2016, 01:35:17 PM »
Very nice indeed. I've grown to like SGs latterly but never owned one. Yours looks like just the kind that might end up tickling my fancy. Any temptations to make any mods?