Author Topic: Product descriptions (Read 38043 times)

Ced777 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2005, 01:52:05 PM »

Quote from: dpmasunder

The thing I don't like about the B M T bar graphs is a manufacturer could have half a dozen humbuckers with at or around, say, Bass 6 Mids 5.5 Treble 6 and they can sound very different.

You're right. It's why I would prefer at least a 4 bar graphs, with separation between low mid (Custom) and High mids (JB) for example. And an accurate description of the PUs. (juste the 4 bars is far from enough)

jt · « **Reply #31 on:** May 22, 2005, 03:38:58 PM »

:guitar4: Hi Guys :D
Lots of good advice here Tim, i really like the idea of a "still Confused about what P/U you need one of the big problems i get when talking to players [especially the younger ones] is trying to get them to think about what kind of sound or tone they hear in there head. they have a tendancey to try to copy the players they admire most based on wether they think the said players are any good or not.

what they should be doing is listening to the tone or sound players get. even if they are not the kind of player you as a guitarist like Example: i really like Toni Iommi of Black Sabbath but i think he`s guitar sound is absolutley S**T !! [except the Heaven & Hell album] just because i like the player doesn`t mean i want to sound like him! 8)
You should include a brief discription of the magnets and what they can do to the tone [Alnico I - V] you should include a guide to what kind of woods P/U`s will respond to best and why ! [your advice on what magnets to have in single coils for strats based on what type of neck/finger board is a great example of this] You should try to avoid pigeon holeing your P/U`s the example you give of Jazz players in France really liking the Warpig is a good example. you should include that quote on the promotions. it helps show guitarist that they can experiment and get what they hear in there head. the guitars reveiwed in guitar buyer the semi acoustic loaded with Miracle Mans !! is another fine example of this. i tell you what sound i hear in my head you tell me what P/U will give me that Tone regardless of what type of music i make !!
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:D :D :D

lepersmeesa · « **Reply #32 on:** May 23, 2005, 03:38:07 PM »

well how about smaller descriptions and more mp3's of each of the pickups. I think having samples of LP's and RG's with the same clean/rhythm/lead settings on the amp with the clips going from blues to rock to metal etc. Obviously giving a list of settings, mics you used to give people an idea. People can say all you want about a pickup, but until you hear it, it is impossible to tell if your gonna like it.

TwilightOdyssey · « **Reply #33 on:** May 23, 2005, 03:51:35 PM »

I'm no graphic designer, but how about something like this?

Ced777 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 23, 2005, 06:22:36 PM »

I think the problem is the interaction between magnet and coils. Look at the Alnico II for example. Between a V-shaped (hollow mids) Alnico 2 Pro tone, and a U-reversed shaped (mid spike) Custom Custom tone, there is a huge difference, but it's always an Alnico II magnet !!
I may be wrong, but I don't think this kind of diagram is realistic. :?

TwilightOdyssey · « **Reply #35 on:** May 23, 2005, 06:52:25 PM »

Quote from: Ced777

I may be wrong, but I don't think this kind of diagram is realistic. :?

Maybe not. I made allowances for these changes in my diagram now ...

You can fit a lot of info into a small space.

Tim · « **Reply #36 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:16:48 PM »

Damn TO boy, you're good at this stuff. Where'd you learn to do that?!

This is starting to come together now, I still need to get to the bottom of what makes sense to the 'majority' of players and I think we have to start from the'I know nothing' position' and try to work up from that. Granted most players have quite a bit of technical knowledge by the time they get to swapping out p/ups but there are SO many myths floating around out there about pickups,winding,magnets,timbers and so on that we need to start at the beginning.

TwilightOdyssey · « **Reply #37 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:20:02 PM »

Quote from: Tim

Damn TO boy, you're good at this stuff. Where'd you learn to do that?!

LOL, thank you, Tim :)
Fer my day gig I do audio design work, and it involves a lot of technical drawing ... The actual DATA in the chart is cr@p, but that's the visual idea that I had. :D

Tim · « **Reply #38 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:48:16 PM »

Aaaw and I was hoping to use the punch in a nutsack bit too :lol:

You got me thinking now!

TwilightOdyssey · « **Reply #39 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:52:32 PM »

Any way I can be of assistance, just let me know. If you would like to see the same idea with specific wording, just let me know and I'll make a mock up for ya!!

Tim · « **Reply #40 on:** May 23, 2005, 08:55:17 PM »

Cool,I'll try and solidify my ideas and the suggestions from the forum into something and mail it over to see what you can do. PDT_015

bucketshred · « **Reply #41 on:** May 24, 2005, 10:20:42 PM »

I think that you should give a reference to how each pickup will sound, just as a quick guide.

IE: Trilogy Suites - Modern Strat sound for high gain players, think of Strat like clarity with the power of a humbucker

WarPigs - As dirty as your wife and you know it, this pickup will tear you a new arsehole...You$%&#in'knowsit! (please use that one)

Andy!

bucketshred · « **Reply #42 on:** May 24, 2005, 10:25:50 PM »

Quote from: TwilightOdyssey

Quote from: Ced777
I may be wrong, but I don't think this kind of diagram is realistic. :?

Maybe not. I made allowances for these changes in my diagram now ...

You can fit a lot of info into a small space.

Instead of an Maple body you might want to replace it with Ash.

Also, hows about soundclips of each pickup, but each pickup plays the same riff and solo through the same amp?

For example for all the clean settings you could use the intro to Little Wing and then for all the distorted settings you could use a Metallica song or something.

Andy!

TwilightOdyssey · « **Reply #43 on:** May 24, 2005, 10:48:42 PM »

Quote from: bucketshred

Instead of an Maple body you might want to replace it with Ash.

Why not just add it to what we already have? It's only a visual interpretation of something I dreamed up in my head, ya know.

Kilby · « **Reply #44 on:** May 31, 2005, 09:05:22 PM »

I'm probably a bit late in throwing my tuppence but here goes.

Personally I think it's too subjective for graphs alone, the SD site in particular means nothing to me when I look at the graphs, and the sound clips don't cover enough ground to form any sort of useful opinion.

Rather than graphs, which don't really describe the sound (to me), plus so many of the pickups may look too similar to PAFs anyway based on graphs alone.

So why not simply state the original intent of the pickup, tell us why it was designed in the first place.

Then list some reference points for tone, and what will (usually) happen when a different body material / shape is used.

Perhaps adding something like may have too much high end when coupled with a maple bodied guitar or too dark for semis or whatever.

Name : Mule
Original intent : 59 PAF style tone for Mahogany LP style
Tone : Richer & sweeter than current Gibson xxxx pickups

Reccomended for : LP, SG, 335 for Classic Blues Rock tones
Peavey Wolfgang for tighter bottom end and improved middle.
S Type for xxxxx

Reference Points: xxx by Goverment Mule - Gibson LP
xxx by ZZ Top - Gibson LP
xxx by Cream - Gibson 335

Related Pickups: VH II, Stormy Monday, Emerald

Just a thought,

Kilby...