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Alfi27

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Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« on: July 26, 2016, 06:09:32 PM »
Greetings!

After several years of trying to avoid using any pedals, and choosing my amps very carefully and making sure that they could cover my distortion needs without any pedals in front; I finally bit the bullet and got a few pedals.  I was supposed to get the Koko only, but after I got it I was so blown away I just had to get the Shiba as well! They are simply the best pedals I have ever tried, and I wanted to share my experiences. Please note that I use them both for boosting an already driven amp, and that will be my focus in this review.

Koko Boost Reloaded:

A regular sized pedal with the new mf(x)-technology. This technology makes this pedal kind of two in one. When the pedal is activated, you can hold the footswitch for a few seconds and then you switch between the two modes: clean boost and mid boost. When you switch if off, the last used mode will be set to default when switched back on. It is not only two pedals in one, but it triples as a high quality buffer (if you want it to)! There is an internal switch for buffer or true bypass operation.

The clean boost is very transparent, but it also adds this depth to the tone that makes it addictive. It is also extremely powerful, with up to 26db of boost. Set to 12 o'clock it can turn your slightly breaking up amp into a high gain monster! This mode is very simple and straight forward, and there is just one of the knobs that affects this mode.

The mid boost on the other hand, is much more tweakable. It does not seem to be as much boost available in this mode either. So if you plan on using the clean boost all the time and then the mid boost for solos, you have to set the clean boost quite a bit lower. This mode is without doubt my favourite, and it can change the voicing of the entire tone!

The freq-switch is especially intiuitive:
Left: Mid mids
Mid: High mids
Right: Low mids

The Midboost-knob controls the overall boost, and the Mid Q-knob controls the amount of mids. I am not the hugest fan of stepping on a pedal for solos, but this pedal would help your tone cut through even the densest mix like a knife, rhythm or lead! It does not cut the bass as much as a Tubescreamer either, and is of course much more flexible. My Keeley Tubescreamer went out for sale hours after I got the Koko!



Shiba Drive Reloaded:

Also a regular sized pedal, but just one pedal in one. Although not as flexible as the Koko, it is very tweakable! It has 50% more available gain than the original Shiba Drive, and is in general more amp-like, open and not as dark. I have not tried the original Shiba Drive, so these are just statements I have read on the internet. The smooth-switch is far from as drastic as the freq-switch of the Koko, and Suhr also states that it has less effect at lower gain settings. It would probably be more natural to compare this one to the mighty Tubescreamer, and to my ears the Shiba is superior in every way! It is much broader sounding, keeping the bass tight just like the TS but not removing any of it. Because of that, the mid hump will not be as pronounced, but there is a mid boost nevertheless. I also think it works much better with a little bit drive on the pedal itself, as opposed to the famous «no drive full level» TS setting. It can do that setting equally well, but there is no need to when I have the Koko.

The smooth-swith explained:
Left: Mild high end roll off
Mid: Neutral
Right: More drastic high end roll off, for taming bright single coil pickups.

The knobs are pretty self explanatory, which everyone who have used a Tubescreamer or any clone will be familiar with. Drive is the amount of gain/overdrive, tone is the amount of treble and level is how hard the pedal will drive the input of the amplifier.



I like to use the Shiba almost the same way as the Koko, but not quite: drive at 9 o'clock, tone at 3 o'clock and level on full. That way it sounds more growly and maybe a bit more hairy than the Koko, which is more clean. The funny thing is, that even though the tone is heavily distorted you can really tell that the Koko gives a significantly cleaner boost. Sometimes you want the more growly, rawer and more nasty distortion the Shiba contributes to, and sometimes you want the cleaner, smoother and more refined boost of the Koko. The Shiba is also less guitar dependent, it more or less sounds good with anything at my favourite setting, but the Koko needs to be tweaked a bit more (but we are just talking a flick of the switch).

They also stack incredibly well! If I want slightly more gain from the Shiba I run the clean boost at a low setting, and if I want the mids extremely bumped up I can boost the Shiba with the mid boost. Running the Koko at a clean boost setting in front of the Shiba is also a very effective way to even out the differences between higher and lower output pickups!

So, if I did my job well now you should be thinking: which one should I get first? :laugh: I personally think that you cannot go wrong with the Koko, and I have to say that it is more flexible. However, if you like to get your dirt from your pedals the Shiba would be the obvious choice. Horses for courses (very cool expression that I learned yesterday), but they both work very well for similar things and I could honestly do very well with just one of them. They are both so great that I cannot say that I prefer one over the other. When you already have the best pickups, you need the best pedals to carry the torch further to the amp! Very high quality pedals, do yourself a favour and get one! :azn:
« Last Edit: July 26, 2016, 09:16:34 PM by Alfi27 »
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2016, 02:38:39 PM »
The Koko Boost looks great, but I doubt it will add anything new that is not already covered by my two AnalogMan boosts, Catalinbread Naga Viper, Thundertomate Fat Boost, Greer Sweetback, Bogner Harlow, JColoccia Horus, or z.vex SHO. :)

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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2016, 12:51:57 AM »
The Shiba and Koko complement each other very well. I listened various clips. Choice is a matter of priority. If your amp delivers enough gain, I would pick the Koko, but if you really need a big push in terms of gain, the Shiba is the one.

Btw, I have the Suhr Riot and planning to test the Shiba, but there's no shop in my region that stocks them.

This pedal kick ass too.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHkWqiJX2ZE
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 12:53:59 AM by Telerocker »
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2016, 01:32:44 AM »
The Koko can boost your amp into higher gain than the Shiba (if the amp is already overdriven), but the type of boost is totally different. Koko is kind of turning up the gain knob or setting an EQ pedal for boost and mid boost. One thing I forgot to mention, is that I use them both with the Kemper! Responds exactly like a real amp and is a very nice way to keep my rig somewhat more analog and "real" :smiley:

The Riot sounds very good, and I did consider to get it just to have the "holy trinity"! However, I think it is too high gain for me and I like to get the dirt from my amps/profiles and just boost them further with pedals. It does sound very good for a pedal though, would certainly be very cool to try it! I guess it would do the job at boosting an amp as well, but maybe a bit more extreme and heavy than the two others.
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2016, 01:50:52 AM »
The Koko can boost your amp into higher gain than the Shiba (if the amp is already overdriven), but the type of boost is totally different. Koko is kind of turning up the gain knob or setting an EQ pedal for boost and mid boost. One thing I forgot to mention, is that I use them both with the Kemper! Responds exactly like a real amp and is a very nice way to keep my rig somewhat more analog and "real" :smiley:

The Riot sounds very good, and I did consider to get it just to have the "holy trinity"! However, I think it is too high gain for me and I like to get the dirt from my amps/profiles and just boost them further with pedals. It does sound very good for a pedal though, would certainly be very cool to try it! I guess it would do the job at boosting an amp as well, but maybe a bit more extreme and heavy than the two others.

I use the Riot mainly on the clean channel when I play with a sevenhead coverband (with hornsection). Usually we play not loud on stage, the PA should give the bang. So I can't turn my mastervolume up that far and cannot get to the sweet spot of my RV50. In that case the Riot (designed for the clean channel) and also the Brunetti Mercury Box 2 (sounds totally different) do an excellent job on the clean channel.
But the Riot performs well with some ampgain too. You just have to be careful with the driveknob on the pedal.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2016, 04:17:43 PM by Telerocker »
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2016, 08:26:00 PM »
Haha, it's almost a little funny: I couldn't resist, there is a Riot Reloaded on its way! :laugh:
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 03:28:23 PM »
Congrats! You'll love the Riot!

I'm only missing the Shiba drive from this collection, and it's really really tempting.

I'm a huge fan of the Koko boost (I have the original one), it's one of the best pedals I've ever played through. The mid boost works with basically any amp and it just makes your tone sing. High gain or low gain doesn't matter, it's just an outstanding pedal. I love boost pedals, and I really don't want it off my pedal board.
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2016, 05:07:29 PM »
Haha, it's almost a little funny: I couldn't resist, there is a Riot Reloaded on its way! :laugh:

You're good at shopping lately, don't you? Anyway, the Reloaded sounds a tad darker than the first Riot-serie. At least that's what I hear in clips.
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2016, 09:42:49 PM »
Thanks Dvorak! The Koko certainly is great, extremely versatile pedal!

Haha yeah Telerocker! In my defence I have sold quite a few guitars lately, and two more have to go. I simply couldn't resist getting the last piece of the holy trinity, three musketeers or whatever you like to call them :laugh:

I won't use the Riot to its true potential though (I don't like running pedals with a clean amp), but I plan on setting all three up for different gain stages with a slightly overdriven amp/profile! Koko clean boost-part takes the slightly boosted low gain stuff, Shiba takes the mid to high gain rhythm stuff and Riot picks up where the Shiba left, for saturated lead tones! I am more comfortable using pedals than the midi stuff with my Kemper, so I am pretty sure I am selective conservative when it comes to guitars and gear...
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2016, 10:39:20 PM »
@Alfi
No defence needed. There are always plenty of reasons to buy gear. And if not, we can just make up some.  :wink:

The Riot works well with ampsaturation, but you have to experiment with the amounts of gain. Anyway, that's part of the fun.
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2016, 11:46:36 PM »
Haha, it was partly self-justification... I certainly do not need it, but it is always nice with an addition to the tonal palette. That said, the Shiba Drive just absolutely rips for high gain tones boosting a cranked Plexi type amp! With P90s the tone is just so raw, throaty and fat but still very cutting and tight. I'm not kidding when I say that I got chills down my spine!

I also forgot to answer one thing: the Riot Reloaded, at least according to Pete Thorn, is more focused in the upper mids as opposed to the original that is very broad sounding. So I guess that makes it more Marshally, maybe a modded Marshall in a pedal? :cheesy:
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2016, 09:17:38 AM »
I would say that my version is a touch more modern than a vintage Marshall. More like a Suhr CAE. The Reloaded is to my ears a tad darker. You can hear that in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYsPUbB_SWc
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2016, 10:22:49 AM »
Judging by that video I am inclined to agree with you, although his tone seems to be a bit dark in general. I think the Reloaded is more focused in the upper mids rather than the treble. Suhr writes " The Riot Reloaded’s tone control was modified to emphasize upper mid-frequencies for a sweeter, more cutting tone, without sounding harsh or fatiguing". It also appears that the voicing switch does not work the same way. The Reloaded has the vintage voicing at the left position and the original at right.
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Re: Suhr Shiba Drive Reloaded & Koko Boost Reloaded review
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2016, 11:06:32 AM »
Judging by that video I am inclined to agree with you, although his tone seems to be a bit dark in general. I think the Reloaded is more focused in the upper mids rather than the treble. Suhr writes " The Riot Reloaded’s tone control was modified to emphasize upper mid-frequencies for a sweeter, more cutting tone, without sounding harsh or fatiguing". It also appears that the voicing switch does not work the same way. The Reloaded has the vintage voicing at the left position and the original at right.

Right, well anyway, both pedals are great. I like the way the harmonics jump out, even at low volumes.
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