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Re: Bridge pickup - VHII versus Black Dog for thrashy/grind applications?
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2016, 11:47:31 PM »
At Ben's suggestion, I went with an Abraxas set, which i had been eye-ing for quite some time.  It seems to be the unsung hero among BKP's line. I also ordered an Impulse for my ESP Horizon III.

A separate question altogether for those fine folks who use a Black Dog in the bridge position of their guitars: is it bright to the point of being shrill? How bright is it compared to, say, The Rebel Yell (which I will be trying again once I get another Les Paul-style guitar with a rosewood board).

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Re: Bridge pickup - VHII versus Black Dog for thrashy/grind applications?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2016, 05:36:33 PM »
While the Abraxas is truly versatile, I find that for live applications it can thin out a bit.  In the studio is where it really shines in my mind.  While it's not overly compressed, it stays fairly fluid for lead work - but the icing on the cake is how it layers for rhythm work in the studio.  I've got tons of heavy, Abraxas-laden instrumentals under my belt.  That is one of the most expressive pickups that I've ever owned - and the split tone with a little bit of overdrive is incredible.

Sorry I'm late to this thread, but I'd have suggested the MM, but that's more for 80's thrash - see: Exodus' Fabulous Disaster.  It just nails this tone through and through.  Since this didn't work for you, I'd actually have suggested the Crawler before the Abraxas.  The Crawler is thick, velvety smooth and present in the midrange, and delivers enough high end presence to cut through a dense mix.  Unlike its sibling, the Abraxas, high notes carry more weight and juiciness, if I may. 

What the Abraxas does better in my mind is offer a better split tone and more extended dynamic range for pick attack.  I suppose that makes it a bit more expressive overall.  Something Thrash doesn't call for.  I'm ranting.  Where's my coffee??

BTW - the Dimarzio Gravity Storm is surreal for anything up to contemporary lead and rhythm work.  It's totally uncharacteristic of their other models - particularly their signature models, which sound sterile to my ears.  This one is organic and sits right between the Crawler and Abraxas.  While it splits well, it doesn't do it with the bravado and charm of the Abraxas.  Amazing lead tones to be had here.

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Re: Bridge pickup - VHII versus Black Dog for thrashy/grind applications?
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2016, 03:49:25 AM »
While the Abraxas is truly versatile, I find that for live applications it can thin out a bit.  In the studio is where it really shines in my mind.  While it's not overly compressed, it stays fairly fluid for lead work - but the icing on the cake is how it layers for rhythm work in the studio.  I've got tons of heavy, Abraxas-laden instrumentals under my belt.  That is one of the most expressive pickups that I've ever owned - and the split tone with a little bit of overdrive is incredible.

Sorry I'm late to this thread, but I'd have suggested the MM, but that's more for 80's thrash - see: Exodus' Fabulous Disaster.  It just nails this tone through and through.  Since this didn't work for you, I'd actually have suggested the Crawler before the Abraxas.  The Crawler is thick, velvety smooth and present in the midrange, and delivers enough high end presence to cut through a dense mix.  Unlike its sibling, the Abraxas, high notes carry more weight and juiciness, if I may. 

What the Abraxas does better in my mind is offer a better split tone and more extended dynamic range for pick attack.  I suppose that makes it a bit more expressive overall.  Something Thrash doesn't call for.  I'm ranting.  Where's my coffee??

BTW - the Dimarzio Gravity Storm is surreal for anything up to contemporary lead and rhythm work.  It's totally uncharacteristic of their other models - particularly their signature models, which sound sterile to my ears.  This one is organic and sits right between the Crawler and Abraxas.  While it splits well, it doesn't do it with the bravado and charm of the Abraxas.  Amazing lead tones to be had here.

Thank you for the involved and detailed response! I have actually heard a few of your clips under the "players" forum, and they all sounded great!

I daresay "expressive" and "expansive" are along the lines of what I am after. I don't rule out giving The Miracle Man again in the future. I would just like the option of being able to handle tight palm mutes in addition, and I love The Mule, so I figured a suped-up version of that would work wonders for my purposes. I will certainly post my findings!

- Alec

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Re: Bridge pickup - VHII versus Black Dog for thrashy/grind applications?
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2016, 06:22:08 AM »
While the Abraxas is truly versatile, I find that for live applications it can thin out a bit.  In the studio is where it really shines in my mind.  While it's not overly compressed, it stays fairly fluid for lead work - but the icing on the cake is how it layers for rhythm work in the studio.  I've got tons of heavy, Abraxas-laden instrumentals under my belt.  That is one of the most expressive pickups that I've ever owned - and the split tone with a little bit of overdrive is incredible.

Sorry I'm late to this thread, but I'd have suggested the MM, but that's more for 80's thrash - see: Exodus' Fabulous Disaster.  It just nails this tone through and through.  Since this didn't work for you, I'd actually have suggested the Crawler before the Abraxas.  The Crawler is thick, velvety smooth and present in the midrange, and delivers enough high end presence to cut through a dense mix.  Unlike its sibling, the Abraxas, high notes carry more weight and juiciness, if I may. 

What the Abraxas does better in my mind is offer a better split tone and more extended dynamic range for pick attack.  I suppose that makes it a bit more expressive overall.  Something Thrash doesn't call for.  I'm ranting.  Where's my coffee??

BTW - the Dimarzio Gravity Storm is surreal for anything up to contemporary lead and rhythm work.  It's totally uncharacteristic of their other models - particularly their signature models, which sound sterile to my ears.  This one is organic and sits right between the Crawler and Abraxas.  While it splits well, it doesn't do it with the bravado and charm of the Abraxas.  Amazing lead tones to be had here.

Thank you for the involved and detailed response! I have actually heard a few of your clips under the "players" forum, and they all sounded great!

I daresay "expressive" and "expansive" are along the lines of what I am after. I don't rule out giving The Miracle Man again in the future. I would just like the option of being able to handle tight palm mutes in addition, and I love The Mule, so I figured a suped-up version of that would work wonders for my purposes. I will certainly post my findings!

- Alec

Man, you've got me curious about the mule now. Pity I only have start types. Looking fw to your next update. Cheers!