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em07189

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How hot is the miracle man'
« on: December 27, 2016, 08:14:07 PM »
How hot and modern sound his the miracle man?
Does it sound more modern than the Holydiver?
I like the holydiver but the problem is that it has too much the classic voicing, when i try to play some metal you can ear the classic tone in the pickup, it seems that the pickup always wants to stay on the classic age.

the holydiver seems  also that dont have enough output.

How is the miracle man compared with the Holydiver?

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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2016, 10:04:51 PM »
it's not super hot, but it is hotter, punchier, tighter and more modern sounding than the holy diver
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2016, 11:24:26 PM »
Heres a hd mm comparison vid i did.
Also what eric said spot on,
Tho i would say cut over punch fer the mm.
Punch over cut fer hd.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd6odOQkCtQ
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2016, 11:42:04 PM »
Also heres one where my playing is cr@pper cbut you can here the pups only in the context of each other.
Theres cleans and lead too.
Also the abraxas in there really helps highlight the classic from modern vibes.
as usual, same settings, same kind of gutar, same playing blah blah blah

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IEBGySN6IVE
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 04:31:48 AM »
Despite being widely regarded as an 80's Metal pickup, the voicing of a Holydiver is actually more modern than that era so I wouldn't describe the Holydiver as 'classic' at all. Nevertheless, the Miracle Man is a generally more modern interpretation of a similar idea. It's tighter, has a more prominent bottom end and more screaming highs. It's probably the most organic sounding ceramic pickup I've ever tried but it's not on the same level as the Holydiver in that regard.
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2017, 09:54:26 PM »
it's not super hot, but it is hotter, punchier, tighter and more modern sounding than the holy diver
Totally agree with that. It`s not super modern sounding either. I find it rather dark with huge bottom end and the best words that comes to my mind to describe MM is 'chewy' and 'thick as $%&*'. Despite having Ceramic magnet MM sounds more 'organic' and laid back than my Ceramic Nailbomb (unless it`s my amp and effects).
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2017, 10:45:50 PM »
You guys can corret me if i'm wrong , but I'm starting to think that i may like ceramic pickups in the bridge than the Alnico five pickups

I think that a alnico 5 magnet, will always give-me a  more "classic tone", this kind of magnet also will always give more mids than the ceramic.

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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2017, 10:53:31 PM »
You guys can corret me if i'm wrong , but I'm starting to think that i may like ceramic pickups in the bridge than the Alnico five pickups

I think that a alnico 5 magnet, will always give-me a  more "classic tone", this kind of magnet also will always give more mids than the ceramic.
well, my experience is only based on only 2 BKP bridge pickups, Ceramic Nailbomb and MM but as far as Im concerned MM sounds way more organic and smooth than CBomb. and both are ceramic.
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 03:00:08 PM »
Yeah, it's not quite that simple unfortunately but in very broad terms, a ceramic magnet will generally give you a tone that is more modern and tighter. I find that an AV magnet is usually a bit more 'classic' and while not quite as tight as ceramic, it ultimately produces a superior tone. Unfortunately, as Lucas points out, there are exceptions so the Miracle Man is surprisingly smooth and organic for a ceramic magnet while the A-Bomb is incredibly tight and aggressive.

The other factor I'd consider is the wire used as I find that this makes a massive difference to the tone. In my experience (others may disagree), 42AWG produces a rounder tone that is softer in the bottom end and is the quintessential PAF tone while 43AWG tends to have a more aggressive and hairy quality to it and gives a tighter bottom end. It retains something of a 'classic' feel but is distinctly more modern than that produced by 42AWG. You'll find that on the hotter and more modern pickups the wire will be either 44AWG or 45AWG as you need to have a thinner wire to fit the extra turns onto the bobbins. These wires tend to lose the 'hair' you get with 43AWG and are tighter and more modern in the tone they produce.

What you end up with becomes personal preference based on experience and that means that while I used to ask for masses of advice when it comes to choosing pickups, now I don't bother because I already know what will work for me. I know I probably won't like a pickup with a ceramic magnet as much as an AV magnet. I did like the Miracle Man and I also liked the Cold Sweat but the Miracle Man didn't quite have the 'hair' I was after so I replaced it with something that uses 43AWG instead and has a combination of AV and AVIII magnets. The Cold Sweat was just a bit too sterile so I had a pickup made for me that was a similar DC resistance with 43AWG but an AV magnet. I loved the Holydiver but the 44AWG wire meant it was just a bit too modern for the 80's Metal tone I was after so I went for one with a slightly lighter wind and 43AWG wire. It's the same story with neck pickups. I know I like AII, AIV or AV and I know that I'm not keen on 42AWG. The best one I've had so far is one I asked to be made for me that was AII with 42.5AWG. I've spent a fortune over the years on different pickups, working out what does and doesn't work for me but it's a worthwhile experience because now I'm in a position where a lot of the guesswork has gone. Without ever having played one, I can say with some certainty that I will like the Abraxas and the Black Dog and I won't like the Painkiller or Aftermath. That doesn't mean I will get it right all the time by any means but that's part of the fun and the learning process. Based on what I've just said I should like the A-Bomb but I don't. I will also sometimes take chances with something just to see what it's like. I've just had a P90 made for me that is the same size as a standard singlecoil for a Strat. Will it work? I have no idea at all but it's going to be fun finding out  :smiley:
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2017, 12:20:13 PM »
For example I keep my Miracle Man a bit further away from the strings, it`s less hot, more organic and 'chewy' and thick.  I prefer MM this way.
 I don`t know why but first time when I played my MM, word 'chewy' instantly came up to my mind  :grin:

The closer you get to the strings it becomes more saturated, more aggressive, hotter and more 'metal EMG type of thing' (that`s my impression).
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Re: How hot is the miracle man'
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2017, 06:26:33 PM »
I tend to like the miracle man better a little close to strings, but not as close as the holy diver, but that depends on the guitar
you gotta set it up very close to the point where the lower string will sound like a fart and then you dial it back till it sounds good
the only bkp I had that sounded better further from strings was the alnico nailbomb
even the ceramic nailbomb sounded better at medium high height

I disagree about thinner wire pickups sounding tighter in the lows
a vhII (42 awg) is plenty of bass and sounds tighter than any modern wiring alnico pickup I ever played, while the holy diver (44 awg) and warpig (45 awg) are quite soft in comparison
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