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Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« on: February 16, 2017, 07:23:29 AM »
Hey everyone!  Been a while since I've been on here, but I'm on a mission to find the perfect pickups for my RG570.  I've installed a pick guard on it, so the middle single coil has been deleted from the layout.  This guitar has also had a brass sustain block installed on the Lo-Pro trem, which slightly emphasizes the low end and high-end harmonics.  This guitar will be used primarily for Metalcore / modern rock & some djenty stuff.

For a neck pickup, I'm pretty set on a VHII.  I've always wanted to try one.  I currently have a Juggernaut set installed in the guitar and It's neck is very close to what I'm looking for, though I'd prefer something with less output & compression.  I know the Jugg neck was based on the VHII so I think I'm on the right track.

As for the bridge pickup- I had a set of Dimarzio Titans installed in this guitar & they just reminded me too much of Aftermaths (my least favorite BKP).  Just dry, sharp, shrill, stiff to play.  Ick.  So today, I pulled those & swapped in a set of Juggernauts.

My impression of the Jugg bridge in this guitar is that I would like there to be a tad less low mid and I would like that low mid to grind more.  The Jugg's low mid is very present and very round.  I could use a bit more upper-mids and the treble of the Jugg is still a little sharp when tremolo picking high strings.

Based on all this & reading through countless other reviews, I'm leaning toward a Nailbomb in the bridge, but I have no idea if I'd go Alnico or Ceramic.

Other BKP's I've tried & impressions-

Holy Diver- a good pickup, but not quite tight / aggressive enough for what I'm looking for.

Painkiller- I love this pickup, but it's a little over the top for what I'm looking for in this guitar.  Surprisingly, I've found this bridge pickup to have one of the smoother high-end responses in regard to tremolo picking high notes.

A-Hawk- Loved this pickup but even in the Alnico form the high end was a little too sharp.

Aftermath & Jugg- See above.

Hopefully you guys can help me out based on this.  I really am leaning toward / wanting to try Nailbombs, but by all means, please suggest what you think would work best in this guitar!

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2017, 09:45:44 AM »
Based on your preferences and style you might want to look more closely at the Impulse set.

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 11:17:04 AM »
I think you're on the right lines with the A-Bomb. It's hairy, VERY aggressive, very tight and has loads of the upper mids you're after.
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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 03:39:24 PM »
That's really weird about the juggs having a 'sharp treble' during trem picking.  In my experience, the are certainly rounded and present in the low mids, but the upper mids are smooth, even if there is somewhat of a bite in the treble.  Not a harsh pickup at all.

Even more weird about the upper mid dominant painkillers having a smoother top end than juggs.  Totally opposite from my experience with these pickups. 

The A-Bomb is hairy and it has this low mid grind you are talking about.  Its a balanced sounding pickup but this means that the top end is  more present and aggressive than the Juggs.  In a Les Paul, the treble is sharper and the pick attack is more present than the Juggs installed in a brighter guitar.

I would take the A-Bomb in a Les Paul and the Juggernaut Bridge in a Baswood Body / Maple Neck RG, but that's just me. 


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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2017, 08:39:47 PM »
I would take the A-Bomb in a Les Paul and the Juggernaut Bridge in a Baswood Body / Maple Neck RG, but that's just me.

I would agree that my first choice for a home for an A-Bomb would be a Les Paul. I think that with all that hair and aggression, it needs the weight of mahogany in a Les Paul to tame it a bit. I've never tried a Juggernaut so I can't comment as well. Lots of people seem to like it and the specs look good, I just still haven't found a clip of it I actually like but even with my reservations, it's never struck me as a particularly harsh sounding pickup and given the Misha association, an Ibanez RG looks like a natural home for it.
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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2017, 02:19:39 AM »
I would take the A-Bomb in a Les Paul and the Juggernaut Bridge in a Baswood Body / Maple Neck RG, but that's just me.

I would agree that my first choice for a home for an A-Bomb would be a Les Paul. I think that with all that hair and aggression, it needs the weight of mahogany in a Les Paul to tame it a bit. I've never tried a Juggernaut so I can't comment as well. Lots of people seem to like it and the specs look good, I just still haven't found a clip of it I actually like but even with my reservations, it's never struck me as a particularly harsh sounding pickup and given the Misha association, an Ibanez RG looks like a natural home for it.

Ya exactly
I would love to .hear an a-bomb in an explorer.  It certainly takes well to a Les Paul  where the warmer and beefier instrument adds warmth to the sound.

I think basswood adds upper mids,.articulation and bite to the Juggernauts so it is possible  that the OP simply does not like this  combination.   I have Juggs in an rg7421 and a redline III.  They are smooth and dark in the redline .III and lively and articulate in the RG.  I really like both.

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2017, 03:53:53 AM »
I would take the A-Bomb in a Les Paul and the Juggernaut Bridge in a Baswood Body / Maple Neck RG, but that's just me.

I would agree that my first choice for a home for an A-Bomb would be a Les Paul. I think that with all that hair and aggression, it needs the weight of mahogany in a Les Paul to tame it a bit. I've never tried a Juggernaut so I can't comment as well. Lots of people seem to like it and the specs look good, I just still haven't found a clip of it I actually like but even with my reservations, it's never struck me as a particularly harsh sounding pickup and given the Misha association, an Ibanez RG looks like a natural home for it.

Ya exactly
I would love to .hear an a-bomb in an explorer.  It certainly takes well to a Les Paul  where the warmer and beefier instrument adds warmth to the sound.

I think basswood adds upper mids,.articulation and bite to the Juggernauts so it is possible  that the OP simply does not like this  combination.   I have Juggs in an rg7421 and a redline III.  They are smooth and dark in the redline .III and lively and articulate in the RG.  I really like both.

So interesting.  Possibly it's due to the brass block I have installed in this guitar, but if anything I'd say this guitar needs some help in the upper mids.  Also, I should clarify- I think the Jugg set sounds fantastic in this guitar.  However, I'm looking to add a bit of variety to my guitars, so I'm looking for a pickup set that sounds good in this guitar in addition to the Juggs.  Right now I'm heavily leaning toward the A-Bomb for the bridge, as it seems like the perfect middle ground between the Holy Diver & C-Bomb.

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2017, 06:20:12 AM »
Interesting.   What amp are you playing through?

I have some observations and ideas but I don't know if they are directly applicable. 
I noticed with my guitars, that the acoustic tone of the guitar really influences how the pickup sounds.   

For instance, I have an Ibanez RG7421 with a maple neck, rosewood board, and basswood body.  The Juggernaut 7s in this guitar have a lot of focus on the upper mids and they sound very articulate.  The pickups are phat and round in the low mids but somehow the richness, nuance, and complexity of the tone exists in the mids, upper mids, and treble, while the round bass is sort of vanilla or just kind of there.

I have a Godin Redline III with a LFR.  It is a maple neck, rosewood board, but it has a soft maple body with poplar wings.  The tone of the guitar is very similar to a balanced sounding Fender Strat.  Imagine a darker version of a strat, or an otherwise somewhat bright guitar with a nice core in the low mids.  The Juggernaut 6 set I have sounds rounded and gutteral with somewhat of a hollow character to the mids.  The low mids just pound like a sledgehammer and there is more of a growl and complexity in this frequency range.  White there is a satisfying bite in the treble, the rolled off high mids make the guitar sound creamy and very smooth, even when the pickup is extremely articulate and turns aggressive when I dig in.

My Gibson Les Paul has an A-Bomb in the bridge.  Acoustically, the instrument almost reminds me of an acoustic guitar.  It is resonant with nice highs, present mids, and a huge, resonant,  and very open sounding low end.   With the A-Bomb, this guitar sounds very articulate, warm, hairy, pissed off, and it just roars.  There is a huge amount of complexity in the mids and low mids while the high end more shimmers.  I can't help but think that in a basswood body instrument with a natural focus on the high mids, that this pickup would quickly become honky and strident.

My Godin LG is a mahogany bolt on neck and rosewood board instrument with a solid and heavy mahogany body.  Acoustically it has a weird twang in the highs but it has a tonne of sound focused on the low mids which makes the guitar sound boomy.  Even acoustically, the lows are tubby sounding with less weight in the mids and a natural dip in the high mids where the treble then starts to 'stick out'.
I took a chance and put a Rebel Yell in this guitar.  In a Les Paul, it lacked output somewhat, and was very bright with a focus on the upper mids.  In the Rebel Yell it sounds enormous.  The contributions from the guitar just provide the reinforcement in the lows while the pickups contribute the upper mids and the wonderful harmonic sheen.  The result is an articulate pickup that this huge, wide chainsaw grind to the sound. 

The interaction between pickups, wood, and construction create a sound which is then shaped by an amp.  The trick is to find pieces that just work well together.  In your case, trying the A-Bomb will either work or not work.  I'm very curious as to what the outcome will be. 

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2017, 10:46:46 AM »
When I tried the A-Bomb it was in a maple neck-thru, which tends to have upper mids naturally so in combination with the A-Bomb, the result was hideous but it was very clearly the combination of pickup and guitar that didn't work. When I was looking for a pickup to replace the 498T in my Les Paul, I very nearly bought an A-Bomb because I know there's a great pickup in there for the right guitar. If your guitar is lacking aggressive upper mids, the A-Bomb will give you that back in Spades but if the upper mids are already strong, it's a pickup to avoid. What I would say is that an A-Bomb is NOTHING like a Holydiver so it certainly isn't any middle ground between a Holydiver and anything. If you just wanted a Holydiver with a bit more tightness and aggression, you'd be looking at a Miracle Man, which is very similar but has a stronger bottom end, lower mids and highs but is a little scooped in the upper mids. Thgis is why it's ideal for maple neck-thru guitars.
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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2017, 03:46:36 PM »
That's why I found the Cold Sweat to be much better in my SG Standard than the A-Bomb I put it there first.  Middy guitar + middy pickup is not a good combination.  I need still more bottom end than the CS can give me so I have a Miracle Man bridge pickup on the way right now.  It was always a toss-up between the CS and the MM; trying the MM now for more bottom end and less mids
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« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2017, 04:21:11 PM »
That sounds like it should work really well. I haven't been a fan of ceramic pickups for quite some time and I was never overly struck on them but I have fond memories of the Cold Sweat and the Miracle Man was great. It was much warmer, smoother and organic than I ever expected to find in a ceramic pickup and the bigger bottom end makes it sound much bigger than the Holydiver while the highs makes it really scream on leads. Looking back on all the pickups I've had from BKP, the Miracle Man is one I'd perhaps revisit and although I didn't think it at the time, I now see it as a better option than the Holydiver in many respects. The Miracle Man does exactly what it's supposed to and it does it perfectly and with great tone whereas I'm no longer convinced the Holydiver quite gets its target tone right. I'd be interested in reading a review of your Miracle Man in an SG.
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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2017, 07:52:45 PM »
Well here's another question that someone here may be able to answer- Aside from the magnet, are the A-Bomb & C-Bomb bridge identical?  If so, I'll just order the A-Bomb & if I'm not digging it for whatever reason I'll just swap out the mag for ceramic.  Done it before plenty of times, not a difficult job at all on non-covered PU's.

I know that BK will sometimes do little "under the hood" tweaks to specific models to compensate for one thing or another, like how covered pickups are wound slightly different than uncovered.

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2017, 10:44:29 PM »
As far as I understand, the A & C Bomb are the same except for the magnet, but swapping the magnet voids the warranty on the pickup.
You can just use the 10 day exchange policy haha.

Something I'd like to try:  An Alnico V / Ceramic hybrid Nailbomb.  Same idea as the Juggernaut Bridge.  That would be cool!!

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2017, 10:54:48 PM »
As far as I understand, the A & C Bomb are the same except for the magnet, but swapping the magnet voids the warranty on the pickup.
You can just use the 10 day exchange policy haha.

Something I'd like to try:  An Alnico V / Ceramic hybrid Nailbomb.  Same idea as the Juggernaut Bridge.  That would be cool!!

True, but I've often heard that the 10 day exchange is prohibitive going back & forth between the US & UK.  Though, it could make sense to do if the pickup is just not a good match at all to the guitar.

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Re: Looking for the perfect pickups for my RG570
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2017, 12:22:11 AM »
Oh, you are in the US.  You should contact BKP support directly about this and see what they recommend.