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N(O)GD - Framus 1962 Hollywood
« on: June 21, 2017, 10:00:28 PM »
Cheers everyone,

so today was a day I've been looking for for a long time. I finally got my gramps 1962 Framus Hollywood with the Black Rose finish back from the luthier. She was completely unplayable cause the frets have been completely worn out. Now that she got a new set of frets she plays great again. I spent some time today cleaning her, restringing with a 10-52 set of Elixir Optiwebs (wanted to try those for a while so I used a set I bought some time ago but didn't know what guitar to put on) and so far I'm happy with the results.

If you can't be bothered to read through the wall of text regaring the story of the guitar, skip to the last paragraph where I ask for some help on the input jack :)


Story goes like this:

back in the days of communist Yugoslavia my grandpa was a carpenter. That was what he did officially for a living, but he was also a fisherman and a musician. He used to play terraces with his band, doing top 40 stuff that people could dance to and as the tourist season during summer in Croatia always meant a lot of money he actually built a house with the cash he earned over those years. The very same house I spent my youth in during summers when school was out in Austria, enjoying the beach and the sun. Miss those days now that I have to work and study for university.

Anyway, my grandpa was always a very practical dude. Back in the day with the communist system things didn't need to be pretty, value wasn't as important as practicability. He had a Vox Solid State Foundation Bass amp that he'd use to plug his guitar as well as his 4 stringer into, a Höfner Violin Bass (the model McCartney played) as well as the aformentioned Framus Hollywood.

Now one day he decided he liked the way the strap feels attached to the headstock of the acoustic guitar way better than the way it felt being attached to the strapbuttons of the Framus, so he drilled a hole into the headstock in order to feed the lace through it. He didn't have a hard case for the Höfner Violin Bass (which is a shortscale) so he took the Framus case, sawed away some of the plastic and the horn on the headstock so the damn thing would fit inside. The day his original Jensen speaker in the Vox Cab died he used the old grill that he then put on a new cab he built with a noname speaker and the old Vox cabinet has been used to store potatoes in the basement in it ever since.

Nowadays we would cringe at such things but as said back in the days no one gave a damn about instruments and amps as long as they'd be practical. Even if it meant "modifying" them in a very brutal way.

So ever since he's gotten old and strokes and cancer rendered him unable to play any instruments he gave that very same guitar, bass and amp to me. Even though the value is destroyed forever I see those instruments as part of his legacy and I wanna play them, therefor I'm veeeery excited to have the guitar back now. The bass is going to the luthiers next, the neck has deattached from the body after the glue has given up over the course of all those years.

Years ago my father brought that Framus to a hack up "luthier" to restore her. However what that idiot did was to remove the original tuners and replace them with some Gotoh knock offs (drilling new holes in the headstock), losing one of the original tuners, he blocked off the trem with wood and drilled holes in the bridge to make a string tree that would push down the strings before they hit the bridge and he painted the back of the neck black where it was worn down to the bare wood from years of playing (original back of the neck was painted in a red burst like the body). He basically ruined the instrument even more. If you ever have a vintage instrument, be sure to bring it to someone with a good reputation, someone who actually knows what he's doing.

Fast forward to today, I totally took her apart, removed all the "mods" the idiot did to it and gave her as said a proper setup. The only thing I'm unable to do on instruments is refrets and fret dresses, that's why I brought her to the luthier. I ordered some new Framus Hollywood tuners (which unfortunately are plastic instead of abalone like the old ones) and the whammy bar is in function again.



Last paragraph and my current problem:

I had a look at the electronics, the workmanship is great as you'll see in the pictures and everything works fine so I won't mess with it. I had the thought of ordering a regular input jack but I doubt the plug would fit in the grounded metal case surrounding the electronics plus the body is really thin, so I'd rather solder myself a custom cable. Problem is the guitar has a weird 3 pin input jack and whilst I do have an adapter cable it's straight and sticking out so high the whammy bar hits it, I'm unable to move it up and down.
Now is there a 3 pin type input jack I can order somewhere? What is it called and where can I find it? Is there an angled version of it? I'd really love to use the whammy and I'd rather not try to convert the already poor and abused thing to a regular jack input type...

Pics are attached, hope you can help me out, cheers!
« Last Edit: June 23, 2017, 12:05:35 AM by GuitarIv »

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More pics. Here you can see the finished guitar and the inut jack.

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The problem with the cable sticking out too high and the 3 pins close up

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And finally the old cable grandpa custom soldered, the hole in the headstock and the guitar seated in a SKB Les Paul case.

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VERY cool guitar and story.

Can't help on the socket, though. It reminds me of some old hifi stuff - but I can't really remember what it's reminding me of!
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VERY cool guitar and story.

Can't help on the socket, though. It reminds me of some old hifi stuff - but I can't really remember what it's reminding me of!

yes, it looks like a 3 pin DIN socket to me

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Have you contacted Framus?  They might be able to help, or at least give you some information.  they might not have any records from back then, but there's always a chance they have!
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Re: N(O)GD - Framus 1962 Hollywood
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2017, 12:03:12 AM »
Ok guys, I found it. Gwems clue led me to the right find, have a local supply store carrying these:

https://www.conrad.at/de/din-rundsteckverbinder-stecker-gewinkelt-polzahl-3-grau-hirschmann-mawi-30-b-1-st-737216.html?insert=U3&WT.srch=1&WT.mc_id=sea_9_Shopping&gclid=CKr57uPA0tQCFWoz0wodkNwPHg


Time to get a few and solder some custom cables :)

And Blue I might actually still do that. Dad told me from his memory the guitar had a custom cable that came with it. Now I didn't find any such cables in the Framus Vintage store but might be that I can still find one somewhere. Clueless about records since Framus was bought by Warwick and then rewived.


Anyway, after having spent almost 2 days with the guitar I must say I'm veeeeery pleased with it. She's something completely different and unique amongst my other axes.

After heavily abusing the whammy I'm happy to report she stays in tune perfectly. The range is a bit smaller than what you get with a Bigsby but still more than enough for the occasional rockabilly/surf stuff. Enjoying the heck outta it right now. The pickups are very different sounding, I don't know if they are humbuckers or if the cavity is just shielded so well that you don't get any hum under high gain (look up the pics, seems to me the metal casing the electronics are seated in forms a perfect faraday cage). The bridge has a very biting and twangy quality to it, reminds me of a Tely, I use it for funky stuff in conjunction with my wah and biting AC/DC rhythms. The middle pickup is my go to choice for bluesy rhythms and driving rock riffs ala La Grange. The neck is great for warm and singing blues leads ala BB King.

The switch for the different voicings seems broken to me, it offers 4 positions but oddly position 1 and 2 sound the same, just as position 3 and 4 do. You notice a big difference when going from 2 to 3, but that's it. Might be that a capacitor is dead or there's a cold solder joint.

I can still go from biting with lots of treble to very smooth midrange honkey with it. Good for now.

Last thing I noticed: since the guitar is actually hollow on the inside the whole body vibrates and you get feedback easily (in a pleasant way). As soon as you stand in the right spot she just slips into harmonics. Playing her with my Hoof Fuzz was pure joy today. I didn't use extreme volumes (neighbours and all) but next time I have rehearsal with my blues rock band I'll try her through my guitarists cranked JMP 2203 and hope she doesn't go outta control at high volumes...


Anyway, thaks for the responses! Maybe I manage to upload a demo or two here :)

Cheers
« Last Edit: June 23, 2017, 12:06:04 AM by GuitarIv »

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Re: N(O)GD - Framus 1962 Hollywood
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2017, 11:58:45 AM »
Glad you found the right cable, and it sounds like it's a pretty cool guitar.

With the three pin custom cable, I'm wondering if maybe it had some kind of stereo output or something?  Maybe that's what the 4 position switch is for, and why it doesn't seem to be doing anything?  Back in those days European guitars in particular had some pretty wacky electrics!
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Re: N(O)GD - Framus 1962 Hollywood
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2017, 02:07:00 PM »
Actually the same thought struck me. Will mail Framus and do some further research on the matter :)