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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 tuned C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2017, 09:29:18 AM »
Warpig is too much for what you're doing. PK is quite djenty pickup, not sure you'd want that for your style (it's really bright).

Go with black dog or holy diver.
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 tuned C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2017, 10:39:55 AM »
Warpig is too much for what you're doing. PK is quite djenty pickup, not sure you'd want that for your style (it's really bright).

Go with black dog or holy diver.
Cool, thank you for that!!
I'll let you know how that worked!! :smiley:

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 tuned C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2017, 04:43:15 PM »
Black Dog seems to an interesting pickup I would only be concerned about output especially for music like Gojira or Killswitch engaged.
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 tuned C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2017, 07:25:53 AM »
Black Dog seems to an interesting pickup I would only be concerned about output especially for music like Gojira or Killswitch engaged.
That's my though as well!
What do you think about Warpig?
I love how BD sounds, HD seems similar from a more modern view,
but as Gibson is  a midrange, fat and vintage by nature i can only
make her angry by installing a hot modern pickup.

So Warpig somehow (at least to my ears) seems to be the most modern side of
BD that can handle quick Gojira/Killswitch Engaged palm mutes on  Drop C#,
in addition to HD which seems i little loose on the low end.

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2017, 08:05:10 AM »
Personally I would endorse the suggestion made previously regarding the Miracle Man.  It has enough of the Holy Diver character to keep you happy I think, with more output and a tight bottom end, likes being tuned down, and handles palm mutes and lead work like a champ.
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2017, 08:41:38 AM »
Keep in mind that apparently BD is a bright pickup. Regarding BD vs HD, Black dog seems to be more aggressive despite lower output.
What about new Ragnarok?
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2017, 01:15:26 PM »
Personally I would endorse the suggestion made previously regarding the Miracle Man.  It has enough of the Holy Diver character to keep you happy I think, with more output and a tight bottom end, likes being tuned down, and handles palm mutes and lead work like a champ.
Hello Dave,
I'm glad hearing your advice too!

MM is my starting point so far, what do you think about the rest of the modern pickups like Warpig, Ragnarok or even Black Hawk and Impulse?

Do you think some of those will make a good pair with a Drop C# LP which is on the Mid to Bright side?

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2017, 01:20:42 PM »
Keep in mind that apparently BD is a bright pickup. Regarding BD vs HD, Black dog seems to be more aggressive despite lower output.
What about new Ragnarok?
Was thinking about Ragnarok as this would be the most modern of them all & a challenge for my LP as RG desinged for Misha's Jackson Guitar!

I kind think it would be too bright on an LP!!
Do we have someone on the forum who has already tried it on his LP?

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2017, 02:55:24 PM »
I'm afraid that non one has tried Ragnarok in LP yet as the pickup only came out week and a half ago.
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2017, 03:44:50 PM »
I have no experience with any of the pickups just mentioned (Impulse, Blackhawk) except for the Warpig

I have an alnico Warpig and an alnico Nailbomb in 24.75" scale guitars (Explorer & SG) tuned to C standard.

I find both of them to be good, but I I play a sludgy, Hellhammer-inspired form of doom metal.

I do have a Miracle Man as well (in an SG tuned EADGBE) and I tend to think that it is a bit tighter sounding but with an output between the Warpig and the Nailbomb.  It is also smoother and more 'civilized' sounding than either

I hope this helps

It has been mentioned on these forums a couple of times that the MM is closest in tone to the HD.  In some ways it is like an overwound ceramic version of a Holy Diver
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2017, 04:06:32 PM »
I have alnico black hawks in a les paul. They are really bright but not in a piercing way if that makes sense. They are kinda odd pickup though, not for everyone.
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2017, 06:35:22 PM »
I play mostly in Eb and drop C# with my les paul custom-based Short Hydra with the holy diver in the bridge position and my heavily modded 50w 1973 Marshall JMP
the amp had an original Lee Jackson mod/rebuild, but I've done a lot of changes throughout the years (the original mod was way too dark, bassy and farty), so right now it has some sort of plexi/diezel vh4 hybrid circuit
this combo sounds great for most of the stuff you mentioned

I use a tc classic sustain parametric eq as a compressor and output/midrange booster, though, but my amp has a lot less saturation than an actual diezel vh4 on ch3 (I'd say it's around a non-boosted bogner shiva max gain level)

the black dog might have better picking articulation under gain, but the diver sustains better
I like the dog better for Gilbert-like medium/low gain leads, and maybe for Soundgarden stuff
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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2017, 10:12:17 AM »
I have no experience with any of the pickups just mentioned (Impulse, Blackhawk) except for the Warpig

I have an alnico Warpig and an alnico Nailbomb in 24.75" scale guitars (Explorer & SG) tuned to C standard.

I find both of them to be good, but I I play a sludgy, Hellhammer-inspired form of doom metal.

I do have a Miracle Man as well (in an SG tuned EADGBE) and I tend to think that it is a bit tighter sounding but with an output between the Warpig and the Nailbomb.  It is also smoother and more 'civilized' sounding than either

I hope this helps

It has been mentioned on these forums a couple of times that the MM is closest in tone to the HD.  In some ways it is like an overwound ceramic version of a Holy Diver

What if i had a MM neck on the bridge?  :rolleyes:
Just saw a post in which Nolly had this suggestion to a similar situation!

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2017, 10:18:40 AM »
I'm afraid that non one has tried Ragnarok in LP yet as the pickup only came out week and a half ago.
So it's going to be either MM or Impulse!
MM is the less risky choise, on the other hand Impulse somehow sounds a little more modern to my ears!

What about a MM neck on the bridge?
How would that sound??  :evil:

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Re: Modern metal on a Gibson LP '08 in Drop C# with Eb 52/10, (long post)
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2017, 03:55:41 PM »
I really don't know.  I can tell you that the Miracle Man bridge + Cold Sweat neck combo is a good one, that's what I have in my SG Standard. Both pickups are great for leads and you get very nice cleans from the CS neck
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