Bare Knuckles Boot Camp ???

[littleredguitars2]

i wish there was more info on where to actually buy these. especially in the US. i'd give the true grit and brute force humbuckers a shot.

[oneblackened]

Axe Palace should have them soon.

[johnny_rock_it]

I don't think I'm the right target for the boot camp line. I'm way too guitar nerdy for this.

Plus they're only like 10 lbs less than the regular BKPs.

I'm certainly going to customize my pickup and get it exactly how I want it for few bucks more.

It's a firm pass for me.

[capac]

They are 90GBP I think. That's 29 less than a regular pickup...

I think the target audience for these pickups is people that don't know much about pickups, they need a pair, google it and discover BKP.

Pretty sure they aren't gonna sell as many as their core line will, even though they are cheaper.

[Nolly]

I don't think I'm the right target for the boot camp line. I'm way too guitar nerdy for this.

Plus they're only like 10 lbs less than the regular BKPs.

I'm certainly going to customize my pickup and get it exactly how I want it for few bucks more.

It's a firm pass for me.

The beauty of it is the main line is still there for people that want to go really specific and enjoy that process. The Boot Camp pickups offer a much easier selection system for those that don't want to have to obsess over and potentially regret their choice of more specialised pickup.
To stress again, the Boot Camp range are still full-fat BKPs, and are voiced in such a way to work in almost any guitar without problem. I am very enamoured with my TG humbuckers and will probably make them my default pickup choice moving forwards.

[dxlxntxxlxr]

I don't think I'm the right target for the boot camp line. I'm way too guitar nerdy for this.

Plus they're only like 10 lbs less than the regular BKPs.

I'm certainly going to customize my pickup and get it exactly how I want it for few bucks more.

It's a firm pass for me.

The beauty of it is the main line is still there for people that want to go really specific and enjoy that process. The Boot Camp pickups offer a much easier selection system for those that don't want to have to obsess over and potentially regret their choice of more specialised pickup.
To stress again, the Boot Camp range are still full-fat BKPs, and are voiced in such a way to work in almost any guitar without problem. I am very enamoured with my TG humbuckers and will probably make them my default pickup choice moving forwards.

Even after having experience with juggernauts?! I tried those and i was like "holy shite i need these!" Then like an idiot i bought a titan cause its cheaper and now i think im gonna return it for a juggernaut. Now im even more intrigued by the boot camp stuff.

[Nolly]

Even after having experience with juggernauts?! I tried those and i was like "holy shitee i need these!" Then like an idiot i bought a titan cause its cheaper and now i think im gonna return it for a juggernaut. Now im even more intrigued by the boot camp stuff.

Yeah, I played Juggernauts more or less exclusively for a few years and they're definitely one of my favourite sets in the range. They have a wide frequency response with fat low mids and low end - for me they work awesomely in superstrats and bright guitars. As you'd expect when dropping to a lower output pickup, the TGs have a much leaner low end response that makes mutes sound really tight, but also have a very musical midrange and smooth top (not twangy at all). I haven't tried the BFs yet but I know that their voicing is designed to tight with focussed mids, with a lot of drive behind them. 

[dxlxntxxlxr]

Even after having experience with juggernauts?! I tried those and i was like "holy shiteeee i need these!" Then like an idiot i bought a titan cause its cheaper and now i think im gonna return it for a juggernaut. Now im even more intrigued by the boot camp stuff.

Yeah, I played Juggernauts more or less exclusively for a few years and they're definitely one of my favourite sets in the range. They have a wide frequency response with fat low mids and low end - for me they work awesomely in superstrats and bright guitars. As you'd expect when dropping to a lower output pickup, the TGs have a much leaner low end response that makes mutes sound really tight, but also have a very musical midrange and smooth top (not twangy at all). I haven't tried the BFs yet but I know that their voicing is designed to tight with focussed mids, with a lot of drive behind them. 

Tighter than juggs? Output vs juggs? Loved your work in periphery btw, i was sad to see u go. Good luck with all your present and future endeavors, though i dont think you'll need it!

[capac]

Pretty sure juggs are actually tighter.

[Nolly]

Tighter than juggs? Output vs juggs? Loved your work in periphery btw, i was sad to see u go. Good luck with all your present and future endeavors, though i dont think you'll need it!

Pretty sure juggs are actually tighter.

Depends what you mean by tight. The TGs are extremely tight, since they generate less low end and therefore feel very controlled. The Juggernaut on the other side has plenty of bass, but feels tight in the sense that the attack is percussive and the low frequencies "track" very fast, but if you play them into an amp that saturates the low frequencies a lot, they'll sound flubbier than a low output pickup that naturally feeds the amp a leaner signal.

[Yellowjacket]

Especially in 7 and 8 strings, people run boosts to shovel off all those low and low mid frequencies.  My ReVv Generator 120 handles lows particularly well, especially on channel 3.  It is surprising how tight and aggressive Juggs sound in this amp!

[capac]

I always run a boost with everything high gain related. While some amps can get pretty tight and aggressive, in my experience, a booster just makes it sound "right" for metal.

[darrenw5094]

I can't believe there is no info that we need on the pups!!!!!

What is the EQ of each one?????

What magnet is in each of them????

[capac]

OG and TG are alnico while BF are ceramic. Pretty much all we know ;). Someone will measure DCR on them eventually...

[AndyR]

I must admit I'm quite interested in these.

I'm probably gonna try out a bridge Old Guard P90 in my Feline DC, and a nickel covered set of Old Guard humbuckers in one of my Les Pauls (the Stormies in there will probs go to my Explorer).

I'm not too worried I don't have some of the info I can get on the standard range... what I do know is Old Guard is "vintage" with AII magnets... and they're full-fat BKPs... that's actually all the info I personally need for choosing p90s and humbuckers at the moment. I would prefer it if the humbuckers had a 2-conductor option, but that's OK, I understand why they haven't, and I can cope with the 4-conductor.

I probably won't be trying the strat sets and tele sets because I prefer vintage stagger on strats ... and I've got more BKP tele sets than teles I like at the moment!