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Spiteface

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BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« on: April 04, 2018, 08:16:02 PM »
I tried making a thread a few days ago and it seems to have disappeared. I'd like to ask again, if I may.

Anyway, I have an Edwards (ESP) LP copy - essentially a white Custom. For a few years now, I've had a set of Iron Gear Pickups in there, after foolishly taking out the Nailbomb that was installed by the previous owner (replacing a JB, these guitars some stock with the SD JB/59 combo). They were nice for REALLY cheap pickups, but I fancy treating myself and my guitar!

Most people have a reason for wanting a white Custom or similar, it may be Randy Rhoads, Steve Jones or a few others. For me it is James Dean Bradfield of the Manic Street Preachers. His LP Custom hasn't had stock pickups in it since about 1996 and according to the man himself has seen 4 different sets. I tried getting the ones he uses now, over a year ago, but they never materialised so I've given up on those. I know I'm not the only one who never got pickups out of this maker, but I'm not here to talk other pickup winders. Anyway, previous experience with Bare Knuckle (Riff Raffs in an Epi Dot) and the massive range of choices has led me to come back.

Like I said, I still have the Nailbomb, but asking a similar question in passing a few years back turned up some other responses. I m considering the following options:

1. Rebel Yell set
2. VHII Set
3a. Reinstalling the Nailbomb and getting a matching neck NB (This is obviously the most inexpensive option)
3b. as above, but looking at other options for a mismatched set - I say this because I wonder if 10k output of a neck NB might be a bit much for what I want.

This is the guitar as it has been since 2014's Futurology tour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq1lsR7REM4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gslKjS155Q (2nd and 3rd songs feature the LP, unaccompanied, too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHgwpbCYUfo

I should also point out I am not restricting myself to just these options, if anyone has anything else to suggest. That said, I'm tempted by the Rebel Yells from what I've heard.
Proud owner of a set of Riff Raffs and Emeralds.

Nolly

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2018, 09:06:38 AM »
Hey there,
For James' sound I'd recommend either a bright PAF, which earmarks the Riff Raff, or the Emerald if you fancy more power. The Rebel Yell is a great option too if you want a pickup that is approaching contemporary output level.

Spiteface

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2018, 04:36:49 PM »
I had a suspicion that I might be wanting to look more at "Vintage Hot" rather than "Contemporary" so now I am thinking I need to consider the Emeralds now, which I hadn't considered. I knew I wanted something more powerful than a PAF (although the Riff Raffs I have are fantastic in the Dot) but didn't want to go too "metal" whatever that means, and I did like a few demos I heard of the Rebel Yell set. So now I've narrowed it down to two options, the Rebel Yells and the Emeralds based on your recommendation today! Then all that remains is if I want covers or not (I was thinking black covers and gold screws, as a "best of both worlds" thing)...

Thanks for replying to me!

EDIT: Still torn between the two, but it has occurred to me - I also have an epiphone Les Paul in need of a new lease of life. Whatever I decide on for the Edwards, could always get the other set for the epi and some new pots!
« Last Edit: April 09, 2018, 07:57:50 PM by Spiteface »
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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 05:41:48 PM »
No worries Spiteface, I'm glad you found it useful. It's a shame the Emeralds are not spoken of more often, they're an amazing set especially in LPs and darker guitars.
Sounds like a win-win to get both sets if you're able!

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 07:45:13 PM »
Yeah, I've noticed that the Emeralds don't seem to be as popular as other sets - it was hard finding some sounds of them online. Eventually found someone using them and I like what I heard, sounded like they'd be plenty capable of the sounds I want! I did search these forums, and some people mentioned how bright they were, almost as a warning. They don't sound shrill to me or anything like that. Nothing a tone knob or amp eq tweak couldn't tame, anyway.

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2018, 02:40:54 PM »
I've been meaning to post a review of my Emeralds for a while now, as they don't seem to get much representation here outside of Slarti's review of them being too bright for his PRS.

I've got a set in a Gibson LP Classic '17, and they are fantastic. All the balls I could ever need (I prefer them to the JB in my V for metal, the bridge is super tight) but a very definite PAF character.
The Emerald bridge is bright, but not in a harsh or brittle way - in fact, it's FAT. It sounds oxymoronic, but in the right guitar, every note has a lot of weight to it. So for classic rock crunchy chords, which is where I'd say it's most at home, it sounds like a bright PAF, but with no loss of detail in the mids and a tight bottom end. Single notes are fat and weighty, and there's a sweetness/roundness to the very top end - it won't scream like the JB does.I don't really notice the brightness until I plug my V in and I have to check that I haven't switched to the neck by mistake, as outside of leads the JB feels much rounder.

The neck is very, very fat and creamy. It's hot by neck standards, certainly much hotter than the 59 I've got paired with the JB in the V. But all that means is there's a pleasant evenness to everything and a wonderful depth to chords and cleans. Supremely clear, but without the chime or brightness you'd get from the 59 or, say, a Mule neck. Turn on the gain and it's big, fat and commanding. Again, all the notes have a weight to them, like an underlying solidness that's very reassuring.

The Emeralds a definitely a hot PAF set, but still very much a PAF set. They don't sound especially modern, but they do modern things very well. The guitar they're in replaced my old Epi LP which was stolen; that had Mules in it and if the Abraxas is Mules on steroids, the Emeralds are Mules on a high protein diet and a full-time gym regime. There's still the character, but they're leaner and more specialised at being bridge and neck pickups - they feel like opposites that complement each other perfectly rather than the same pickup tweaked for position.

I hope that's made sense, I will write up a proper review in its own post soon, but for now I hope it helps you get an idea of the sound and whether or not it's useful to you.
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Stormy Mondays, Mules, Emeralds, 10ths, Mothers Milks, Nantucket, Black Dogs, Holydivers, A-bombs, Warpigs, Sinners, Cold Sweats

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2018, 08:18:55 PM »
Sounds good to me! I think I will be happy with those, so that's much appreciated!
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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 12:08:46 PM »
Great review timmy_pix! I think I'd extend your final analogy by saying if the Abraxas is the Mule on steroids, the Emerald is the same to the Riff Raff.

Let us know how you get on Spiteface!

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2018, 08:32:56 PM »
Great review timmy_pix! I think I'd extend your final analogy by saying if the Abraxas is the Mule on steroids, the Emerald is the same to the Riff Raff.

Let us know how you get on Spiteface!

Having used the Boot camp True Grits, how do the Emeralds and True Grits compare?

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 04:28:05 PM »
Having used the Boot camp True Grits, how do the Emeralds and True Grits compare?

I would really prefer to try both the Emerald and True Grit side-by-side to give a proper comparison, but my current impression is the True Grit has a smoother top and more mid-focussed, generally darker tonality. For a more nuanced description I'd really have to try them back to back.

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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2018, 05:11:49 PM »
I must admit, I'm somewhat curious about the Boot Camp set myself...

Anyway, literally just placed my order. I'm going for a set of Emeralds. Black covers, gold screws. Was thinking of keeping it traditional and getting gold covers, but actually fancied something a little different. In terms of the actual pickup model, timmy-pix swung it for me in the end with his review. I think I came across that review of Slarti's, which made me a bit concerned about brightness, but the more I've been weighing things up, sounds like the Emeralds might be the ones for me. If they're not, then I can always try something else. The plan is, once these are fitted, later down the road get some Rebel Yells for my Epiphone with some new pots and caps. Then I could compare a little.

I shall report once I get them installed!
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Re: BKPs for a Manic Street Preachers sound?
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2018, 07:26:15 PM »
Minor update: They arrived on Thursday. This morning I ventured into Cardiff to take my guitar into Gamlins to have them installed. Should get the guitar back next week. Can't Wait!
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