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Muffler

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Pickups for my JP6
« on: July 20, 2018, 12:32:01 PM »
Even altough my taste is leading more and more towards classic guitars, I still really like this one. It has one of the most comfortable necks I've ever tried, it's very resonant and the piezo sounds amazing. However, I think the pickups are its loose point.
The neck pickup lacks character, too middy and plain for my taste. I want to add more beef, definition in the low end and shine in the high end. I thought about my loved Mules in the first place, but I want something with more output for this guitar. It's very important that the pickup splits well too, so Mules are definitely discarded.
The bridge pickup is not as bad as the neck, but still needs a bit more of bite and body.

The guitar has basswood body, maple neck with roseboard fingerboard and floating trem. It sounds quite neutral, not too dark not too bright.

I'm not a fan of very modern, compressed sounds. I don't play death or trash, but I want it to be as versatile as posible, something like a strat in steroids but keeping some of a vintage feel as much as possible. It would be great if I could get fender-ish vibes when splitting the coils. I know BKP has some great ceramic pickups, but I still prefer alnico. After reading a lot and listening all the samples I could, my options are:

- VHII set
- A-bomb set
- Rebel Yell set
- Any of the above bride + VHII/Abraxas neck

Black dogs seems to be too middy for this guitar, and I've read some opinions talking about the compressed sound of the Emeralds. So being VHII or Abraxas my options in the vintage hot field, I'm afraid not having enough output in the bridge position.

In the modern spectrum, Nailbombs or Rebel Yells seems like the best options for what I want for this guitar. I have a Rebel Yell bridge in my Les Paul and it sounds great, with this fat paf-ish sound with sweet highs that could fit well in this guitar. I never tried Nailbombs, but I liked the samples and what I read of them.

What would you recommend?
Abraxas B- Mule N; Rebel Yell B- Emerald N; Piledriver Set; VHII set

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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2018, 12:43:32 AM »
All things considered (wood, construction, your tastes, etc) I would recommend the VHII set out of the options you have suggested.  I don't think the A-Bomb or RY sets will get you where you want to go.
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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2018, 11:55:16 AM »
This could be a job for Emeralds.
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2018, 01:37:28 PM »
All things considered (wood, construction, your tastes, etc) I would recommend the VHII set out of the options you have suggested.  I don't think the A-Bomb or RY sets will get you where you want to go.

What aspect of my description do you think they wouldn't fit? One of my leading options was A-Bomb bridge + VHII neck. But after reading the description of Nailbombs, I considered the whole set too:

"The default Alnico V magnet offers up a huge, deep bottom end with rich, throaty mid range and warm highs.
The Nailbomb neck humbucker has a woody and bright character when used clean; add overdrive and the tone tightens up for a focused and precise attack."


Besides, I'm not sure the VHII bridge will have enough output to drive well my Elmwood Modena high gain channel. The Abraxas of my PRS works fine with that channel, but it seems the VHII has less output

Would you recommend another set out of the list?

This could be a job for Emeralds.

I considered them in the first place, but I got some doubts after hearing a couple opinions describing them as "compressed"
Abraxas B- Mule N; Rebel Yell B- Emerald N; Piledriver Set; VHII set

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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2018, 06:12:00 PM »
Nailbomb bridges can be a bit picky regarding the guitars you put them in.  I have the Nailbomb set in an Explorer and it sounds great there, not sure about your guitar though.  Pickups I've seen get good reviews in basswood are Holy Diver, Juggernaut, and VHII.

I would also say that the alnico Black Hawk and Impulse would both go very nicely in that guitar.  The A-Hawk is a bit hotter than the A-Bomb, the Impulse is a milder version (don't pay too much attention to the resistance readings, they are only part of the picture).  They would also look gorgeous in a JP6 (maybe even in white or zebra, depending on the colour of your guitar).

The VHII has a lot of beef by all accounts, at least as much as the Emerald, so again don't take the resistance readings too seriously.

You might also want to consider the Crawler set.  Splits great and the neck seems to be bright like you prefer.  Definitely works well in Strat type guitars
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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2018, 07:19:20 PM »
Nailbomb sounds great in mahogany set necks, didn't sound great in the bolt on though.
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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2018, 10:47:41 PM »
Nailbomb is more compressed than the Emeralds. Emerals compared to say Mules do have a bit more compression. Of all the pickups mentioned here, the VHII is the most open and dynamic pickup. You can make it scream when you dig in. I have one in an ash strat. It's very focussed and touchsensitive. Tough amount of bass for a vintagehot pickup.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2018, 10:46:00 PM by Telerocker »
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2018, 08:08:32 PM »
This could be a job for Emeralds.

I was thinking that at first as well having just put a set in my Greco, but the JP6 is closer to a Strat than a Les Paul, and I worry the Emerald bridge could be a bit bright and thin as a result. I think it really only works in Les Pauls.
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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2018, 10:49:52 PM »
This could be a job for Emeralds.

I was thinking that at first as well having just put a set in my Greco, but the JP6 is closer to a Strat than a Les Paul, and I worry the Emerald bridge could be a bit bright and thin as a result. I think it really only works in Les Pauls.

Yeah, but it's a basswood body. The VHII has quite some presence too.
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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2018, 01:15:31 PM »
Nailbomb bridges can be a bit picky regarding the guitars you put them in.  I have the Nailbomb set in an Explorer and it sounds great there, not sure about your guitar though.  Pickups I've seen get good reviews in basswood are Holy Diver, Juggernaut, and VHII.

I would also say that the alnico Black Hawk and Impulse would both go very nicely in that guitar.  The A-Hawk is a bit hotter than the A-Bomb, the Impulse is a milder version (don't pay too much attention to the resistance readings, they are only part of the picture).  They would also look gorgeous in a JP6 (maybe even in white or zebra, depending on the colour of your guitar).

The VHII has a lot of beef by all accounts, at least as much as the Emerald, so again don't take the resistance readings too seriously.

You might also want to consider the Crawler set.  Splits great and the neck seems to be bright like you prefer.  Definitely works well in Strat type guitars

I tried the Holy Diver neck in my PRS, and didn't like it too much. Too middy, hairy and thin for my taste, in fact it reminded me the Dimarzio Air Norton I want to replace in this one. Never tried the bridge, but for the comments and the audios I listened to, not sure it's going to be my thing neither. Juggernauts seems cool but way too modern. Same for Impulses. And I don't want anything close to actives, hence haven't considered the Blackhawks.

So as the Nailbombs opinions are quite unanimous, I think I'm going to discard them from my options. VHII seems the obvious way to go, as I'm not going to know if they will be powerful enough until I try them.

Never though about Crawlers before, and maybe could be what I'm looking for... I really liked this neck clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwTylTb1m8U

Anyone tried them on basswood?

Thank you all
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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2018, 07:45:08 PM »
Nailbomb bridges can be a bit picky regarding the guitars you put them in.  I have the Nailbomb set in an Explorer and it sounds great there, not sure about your guitar though.  Pickups I've seen get good reviews in basswood are Holy Diver, Juggernaut, and VHII.

I would also say that the alnico Black Hawk and Impulse would both go very nicely in that guitar.  The A-Hawk is a bit hotter than the A-Bomb, the Impulse is a milder version (don't pay too much attention to the resistance readings, they are only part of the picture).  They would also look gorgeous in a JP6 (maybe even in white or zebra, depending on the colour of your guitar).

The VHII has a lot of beef by all accounts, at least as much as the Emerald, so again don't take the resistance readings too seriously.

You might also want to consider the Crawler set.  Splits great and the neck seems to be bright like you prefer.  Definitely works well in Strat type guitars

I tried the Holy Diver neck in my PRS, and didn't like it too much. Too middy, hairy and thin for my taste, in fact it reminded me the Dimarzio Air Norton I want to replace in this one. Never tried the bridge, but for the comments and the audios I listened to, not sure it's going to be my thing neither. Juggernauts seems cool but way too modern. Same for Impulses. And I don't want anything close to actives, hence haven't considered the Blackhawks.

So as the Nailbombs opinions are quite unanimous, I think I'm going to discard them from my options. VHII seems the obvious way to go, as I'm not going to know if they will be powerful enough until I try them.

Never though about Crawlers before, and maybe could be what I'm looking for... I really liked this neck clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwTylTb1m8U

Anyone tried them on basswood?

Thank you all

Nope, I have one a swampash HSS-strat. The Crawler really thickens that guitar up. I don't know how this pu would perform in basswood. Could be a tad too warm (the HD has more topend chime!). Mind you, it has quite some compression (but still enough dynamics and touchsensitivity) compared to a Mule. The splits are great (think telecaster), the bass tight enough for me, but not your metal to go pickup. It's like a thick über-PAF or a Mule on steroids that cleans up nicely when you roll the volume down.
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.

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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2018, 12:38:22 AM »
This could be a job for Emeralds.

I was thinking that at first as well having just put a set in my Greco, but the JP6 is closer to a Strat than a Les Paul, and I worry the Emerald bridge could be a bit bright and thin as a result. I think it really only works in Les Pauls.

Yeah, but it's a basswood body. The VHII has quite some presence too.

I’ve never owned a basswood, so I don’t know it’s tonality, but I associate it with Super Strat type guitars. I just saw the scale length, the fact that it has a trem and stuff, and figured the tone of the guitar wouldn’t be quite thick enough for Emeralds (and don’t get me wrong I love th Emeralds in my Greco).

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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2018, 08:28:58 AM »
Hard choice, I would go for the Crawlers for the fatness and great split tones, but I'm afraid they are too dark and not tight enough in the low-end for this guitar.

So I think I'm finally going for the VHII set. I'll tell you about the results.
Abraxas B- Mule N; Rebel Yell B- Emerald N; Piledriver Set; VHII set

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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2018, 02:42:34 PM »
I think you will probably be happy with the VHII ... general consensus is that they are one of the BKPs that are more powerful than their resistance readings might suggest.  Resistance ratings can only tell you so much.  Some pickups are really atypical in this respect - the Black Hawks are some of the most powerful BKPs and they are rated at 8.6k!!!
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Re: Pickups for my JP6
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2018, 07:09:58 PM »
VHII's are nice, yet totally different feel than Crawlers. Uncompressed and direct, good mids and quite some bass for a vintagehot pickup. Tigher than Crawlers. They could fit the bill in your guitar.
Mules, VHII, Crawler, MM's, IT's, BG50's.