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« Reply #90 on: May 28, 2008, 05:05:54 PM »
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A custom guitar is a no brainer for me. Some of the brand names that have been mentioned here Tyler, PRS, Nik Huber ect are just that, names and for some reason people get sucked into this brand thing like some do with posh clobber like Jasper Conran or whatever.

No offence Johnny, but isn't that verging on reverse snobbery?  Paul Reed Smith, James Tyler and Nik Huber aren't some kind of corporate whores, they are custom builders who, one way or another, hit the (relative) big time.  

PRS is the biggest of those companies, but Paul Smith isn't swanning around on a yacht, he's doing nitpicky little things like putting brass posts on his tuners because they sound better than steel ones.  And at "Experience PRS" he's acting as a bloody roadie!

Huber can charge more for his guitars than the custom builders we know because he's a "bigger" name, but I don't for a second think a three-grand Huber would be any worse than a Feline or Legra for half the price (and that's NOT meant as a put-down to Jonathan, Bob, Wez or anyone else).  It's just market forces.

In slightly different circumstances, Jonathan might have half a dozen employees and be selling Felines for £3,000 - and we'd be going to Nik Huber for £1,800 custom builds.  They're all in the same business, just at different points on the scale.


I've got nothing against those guitar builders Phil but they charge an absolute fortune, because of their name. That's why I would go with the smaller and just as skilled guitar builders and get something you want not what they have already made that costs 1800 2000 not 5000-10000. They charge what ever they like cos people are mug enough to buy them. Eg EVH and his 15000 Fender. A custom shop here could do that for 1500. Also as we or most of us in here own BKP's in all our guitars you would have to chuck what was in there and put what bare knuckle model you wanted, plus other things like strap locks and tuners, even after dropping 5000 on it.
I dunno to me its the most common sense purchase you can make when buying a high quality guitar but it seems lost on people with brand loyalty or those who just can't afford it!
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« Reply #91 on: May 28, 2008, 05:15:38 PM »
Some people have a money-no-object approach and just want the best of the best, ala PRS Private Stock, Alembic, Conklin, etc.

These guys are doing frightening things with carvings/inlays and finishes that I would imagine most custom builders just can't do (correct me if I'm wrong Wez/Johnathan).
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« Reply #92 on: May 28, 2008, 05:47:26 PM »
There has been market research done that has proven that you can  take two identical products - maybe with slightly different branding and sell them for very different prices

Put one up for sale at £2500 and the other for £5000
You would be amazed that many people will lust after the more expensive one simply because of it's perceived higher value.

This relates back to the same desires people have for Rolex watches and expensive cars .
Often it has little to do with the quality of construction and technological stuff and more to do with saying  "Hey Baby - I'm loaded with money."

And when it's not about attracting the opposite sex it's about one-up-manship over peers and friends/rivals..

To be fair sometimes it is about the construction - maybe a Mercedes or a BMW is a great car to own and drive.

So maybe a small maker will discover that if he sells at £2500 rather than £5000 he doesn't have twice as many people buying the item or anywhere near that amount than if he sold for the higher price.

Maybe he has nearly as many customers at the higher price and making more margin on what he sells allows him to dedicate more time to each project and finesse the guitar to near perfection.

Maybe it means that he doesn't feel like giving up because he would earn more money per hour stacking shelves at Tescos
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« Reply #93 on: May 28, 2008, 06:56:13 PM »
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There has been market research done that has proven that you can  take two identical products - maybe with slightly different branding and sell them for very different prices

Put one up for sale at £2500 and the other for £5000
You would be amazed that many people will lust after the more expensive one simply because of it's perceived higher value.

This relates back to the same desires people have for Rolex watches and expensive cars .
Often it has little to do with the quality of construction and technological stuff and more to do with saying  "Hey Baby - I'm loaded with money."

And when it's not about attracting the opposite sex it's about one-up-manship over peers and friends/rivals..

To be fair sometimes it is about the construction - maybe a Mercedes or a BMW is a great car to own and drive.

So maybe a small maker will discover that if he sells at £2500 rather than £5000 he doesn't have twice as many people buying the item or anywhere near that amount than if he sold for the higher price.

Maybe he has nearly as many customers at the higher price and making more margin on what he sells allows him to dedicate more time to each project and finesse the guitar to near perfection.

Maybe it means that he doesn't feel like giving up because he would earn more money per hour stacking shelves at Tescos


This is an extremely good point that applies to so many things (that we buy, obviously).

There is a greater assurance that comes with something expensive. You think, not actively, but the impression you have, is that the higher price is reflected in the quality and people seem to be remarkably good at fooling themselves that their LP or car or watch or toaster or whatever is better because its more expensive.

I know some people that are even well aware of this phenomenon that still allow themselves to fall victim to it. I've been told "I know its probably not better, but I feel better about something if it costs more".

Theres a similar logic to 'name' gear.

The effects add with expensive name gear. It triples with signature model expensive name gear.

The way I see it, you have to keep your assesments of anything objective. Evaluate the bit of kit right infront of you. Maybe you end up seeing that such-and-such £2000 big name sig guitar is actually really mediocre and the £200 obscure brand is pretty damn good.

I think that  most of the time when people buy a thing they are as much buying a feeling of owning a name, or buying into an image as they are the actual object. If that name or image has selling power, then the price can be high and the product completely undeserving of it and people will buy it.

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« Reply #94 on: May 28, 2008, 07:25:57 PM »
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I know some people that are even well aware of this phenomenon that still allow themselves to fall victim to it. I've been told "I know its probably not better, but I feel better about something if it costs more".


I think that  most of the time when people buy a thing they are as much buying a feeling of owning a name, or buying into an image as they are the actual object.

I was going to say "well I would never do that", and it's true that I'm not particularly image-conscious and I couldn't give a monkeys about designer clothes, expensive watches and things like that.  And I would certainly never buy something just because it was more expensive.

But then I thought about my Epiphone guitars - they're the Japanese-market ones with proper Gibson-shape headstocks, and that is one of the reasons I bought them.  I wouldn't buy a Korean one, or even an Elitist, with the "wrong" headstock.

So I am a gear snob after all....  :oops:..... Bummer.
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« Reply #95 on: May 28, 2008, 07:43:33 PM »
Damn, I'm kinda glad I bought my LP before I started rationalizing it.  :lol: I love it to death but I sure as hell wouldn't pay that much for a guitar now.
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« Reply #96 on: May 28, 2008, 08:19:44 PM »
This thread is a mess.

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« Reply #97 on: May 28, 2008, 08:30:25 PM »
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This thread is a mess.


B..b..b..b....bigger boys did it and ran away!!

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« Reply #98 on: May 28, 2008, 08:33:45 PM »
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This thread is a mess.


B..b..b..b....bigger boys did it and ran away!!


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« Reply #99 on: May 28, 2008, 09:09:29 PM »
This thread has made my brain hurt.
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« Reply #100 on: May 28, 2008, 09:32:32 PM »
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There has been market research done that has proven that you can  take two identical products - maybe with slightly different branding and sell them for very different prices

Put one up for sale at £2500 and the other for £5000
You would be amazed that many people will lust after the more expensive one simply because of it's perceived higher value.

This relates back to the same desires people have for Rolex watches and expensive cars .
Often it has little to do with the quality of construction and technological stuff and more to do with saying  "Hey Baby - I'm loaded with money."

And when it's not about attracting the opposite sex it's about one-up-manship over peers and friends/rivals..

To be fair sometimes it is about the construction - maybe a Mercedes or a BMW is a great car to own and drive.

So maybe a small maker will discover that if he sells at £2500 rather than £5000 he doesn't have twice as many people buying the item or anywhere near that amount than if he sold for the higher price.

Maybe he has nearly as many customers at the higher price and making more margin on what he sells allows him to dedicate more time to each project and finesse the guitar to near perfection.

Maybe it means that he doesn't feel like giving up because he would earn more money per hour stacking shelves at Tescos


good post. :)

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I was going to say "well I would never do that", and it's true that I'm not particularly image-conscious and I couldn't give a monkeys about designer clothes, expensive watches and things like that.  And I would certainly never buy something just because it was more expensive.

But then I thought about my Epiphone guitars - they're the Japanese-market ones with proper Gibson-shape headstocks, and that is one of the reasons I bought them.  I wouldn't buy a Korean one, or even an Elitist, with the "wrong" headstock.

So I am a gear snob after all....  :oops:..... Bummer.


:lol: (*keeps quiet about the fact that my tokai goldstar has the "proper" strat headstock...*)

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Quote from: TwilightOdyssey
This thread is a mess.


B..b..b..b....bigger boys did it and ran away!!


yeah a lot of people were shouting stuff...

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