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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2006, 03:04:56 PM »
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Each guitar is different. I don't see why pickups should be perfectly consistent. I don't think perfect reproductibility is important, anyway.

Apologies for the short reply post, but: Amen!  8)
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2006, 04:32:08 PM »
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It's called an oxymoron, like "Microsoft Works"


Thanks, couldn't think of the term...

And the "MS Works" is a good one... Have to remember that! :lol:
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2006, 08:42:36 PM »
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Exactly. if the measurements on a scatter pattern were taken by a computer then a scatterwind could be duplicated. Then voila....scatterwinds that can be duplicated.


But the whole point is you can't duplicate something that is truely random-all you'll get are two patterns that are the same.At the end of the day what makes a handwound pickup sound good is just that-winding by human hand-not computer-real hands!! Since the dawn of computercontrolled technology companies and individuals have tried to get computers to mimic humans. I make concious decisions about the way I wind each coil depending on what it is I'm making and who I'm making it for and this goes right down to the pattern I wind, the speed, the tension throughout the coil and the time I take- a computerised winder will never do that, all it'll do is knock out pairs of identically wound coils which won't have anything like the extended frequency response of a handwound set of coils.If computers could so easily duplicate  the way I scatterwind do you honestly think I'd spend the amount of time I do making p/ups by hand?I'd buy a computer controlled winder straight away if it was that simple but it's not and until I actually 'hear' the difference I'll stick to my way of working and getting tone.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2006, 08:59:08 PM »
Amen! PDT_003
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2006, 09:05:21 PM »
Looks like Tim will have to wait for artificial intellegence (no, not blondes with dark dyed hair) and bio-mechanical hands.

Nah, real people will be cheaper anyway. :wink:
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2006, 10:22:50 PM »
Keep Doing it the way you do it, Tim!  Another Amen!
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2006, 10:41:17 PM »
Amen is too religious for me... hmm

ill go with Kudos.

yer Kudos for what your doing Tim... but i also agree with Mark as far as one company is not the be all and end all... the pickups in Surh guitars could sund shite for all i care but my point is that people shouldnt think that BK's are the king of pickups and beat everything else hands-down...

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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2006, 10:44:38 PM »
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people shouldnt think that BK's are the king of pickups and beat everything else hands-down...


Its generally true though :P The SD in my strat sounds like shitee compared to the Mules in my LP

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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2006, 10:48:22 PM »
how much did those SDs cost? and thats one company... and one pickup

so you CANT say 'generally' at all...

some people will have experimented with loads of pickups, and can therefore say they PREFER the sound of BK's... but a lot of people havent experimented... (myself being one of those people) and can only go on what we've heard... we've been through all this before- that tone is subjective- its personal preference... so for all i know i may LOVE the sound of an EMG81 far better than a Warpig...

and even if most people do prefer BKs then no-one should pretend that its by such a HUGE margin... maybe it is in some cases... probably isnt in others...

im just trying to look at it realistically... which im gonna stop now cause every time i try to with ANYTHING people start coming back with annoying stuff like that.

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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2006, 10:50:37 PM »
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for all i know i may LOVE the sound of an EMG81 far better than a Warpig...

With your ears, Sambo - I don't doubt it :roll:  :P
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2006, 10:53:17 PM »
well there you go then you just proved me right... thanks.

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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2006, 11:15:11 PM »
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people shouldnt think that BK's are the king of pickups and beat everything else hands-down...


Its generally true though :P The SD in my strat sounds like shitee compared to the Mules in my LP


yeah, but I have fridge magnets that sound better than SD...

not knocking BK, by the way, I just always like to join in SD bashing at every possible opportunity.

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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2006, 11:36:58 PM »
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how much did those SDs cost? and thats one company... and one pickup
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I got it for £30 off ebay but arent they like £80 new or something stupid like that?

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« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2006, 11:47:00 PM »
Having tried nearly every manufaturer of pickups (including custom wound Seymour Duncan and Lindy Fralin), and also having way too many BK pickups for my own good, I can say that I can hear the difference that BK's make in my guitars.

However, I still have some SD's (though they are very old ones, or wound by Seymour in the custom shop), some Fralins (which were also custom wound), some original D'Armond, Daneletro, Fender and Gibson and yes some EMG's.

Basically I have not replaced everything, but whenever I compare the BK's to the others, I end up ordering more BK's!  The worst example of this is my PRS's.  I had very old 80's pickups in my Standard and EG, and early 90's artist pickups in my Artist II.  I liked the 80's pickups much more than the 90's, and also wanted to try a Crawler on my EG.  So I got a Crawler and 2 P-90 set for the EG.  They sounded so good that I got a VHII set for my Artist, which transformed it.  The problem was then that it sounded so much better than the standard with the 80's pickups!  I finally put a set of Rebel Yells into the standard last November, and now it sounds great again.

The BK's raise your tonal expectations and then other pickups don't sound as good.  But there are horses for courses, and sometimes I want to have that EMG sound, and I love the original JB (which is nothing like the new ones).  Also my 62 tele sounds really sweet and I wouldn't change the sound of it at all.

So it is all down to what you want and what your ears tell you.  I know that the d'Armonds are the pickups I would pick for that old rockabilly and blues sound (because that is what was used anyway), and BK don't make a pickup like it, but if they did I am also sure that it would sound better than the new d'Armonds because it would be hand wound like the older ones.
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« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2006, 11:54:39 PM »
^thats what i was effectively trying to say:

im not denying the outstanding quality of BKs... just saying that (to use the phrase Phil used) there are horses for courses e.t.c....