An epic tale of my eventful yet horribly disappointing day

[Dakine]

4x12 IMO can get 'muddy' and therefore NON pussies use 2x12 for metal  :twisted:

[Petre]

awesome, sounds like the 2x12 is what im after then. As long as it has a decent low end ill be happy. i do love chugging, but i also love my clarity.

So, most important question is if i use a solid state head, will a 2x12 still be all good to use at bedroom volumes and such?

Thanks
Petre

[Dakine]

Heres the prob,as I see it.
Any amp over a certain wattage is NOT gonna be ANY good at bedroom levels. They are ALL voiced for gigging. Esp. stacks (heads cabs).
This has been discussed ad nauseium and really NO def. answer.
Sure Matamp and Zvex make very small watt valve heads and you can get modelling amps etc. but truly best way for bedroom practice is a modellor like a pod or summit.
A stack for bedroom playing is abit like buying a Ferrari for getting the weekly shop and nothing else.
NOT trying to be a pain or anything, just think you are looking at the wrong stuff. YES SS will retain more tone through vol. range, but still, stack for bedroom? Don't gel my man.

[deg0ey]

How much is it gonna cost you for a solid state head? 'cause to my mind you would still be better off getting the screamer combo...On that Thomann site you linked to, it's only £300 more expensive than the cab you listed

Maybe it's just me, but I would always rather the screamer, but maybe that's just how we differ :drink:

EDIT: I agree completely Mr Nick...but would you agree that the screamer combo sounds decent at low volumes on all but channel 4? We must make him buy one too :)

[Dakine]

I ADORE my screamer.
And YES it is soooooooooo musical.
But, have to be honest, if ya wanna go AGGGHHHH (kill cats at 100 paces) ya gotta work the valves (ala all valve amps) and that AINT bedroom friendly.

[Davey]

if you make a 4x12 muddy, you are using
a) wrong speakers
b) wrong amps
c) wrong guitars/pickups
d) EQ it completely wrong
e) it's an open back





ports;
it means it has two or more 2" holes in the front baffle, which work as bass reponse ports.. it's kinda like a cheap man speaker sim, but without a speaker (obviously) it adds a very tight bass response, and it gets better the higher you turn the volume on the amp.

check out earcandy cabs to see what i mean.

the inside volume of the cab plays a pretty big role too. it being the same size as a full 4x12, it gives a bigger sound, as more air gets moving on the inside (as far as i understand it)
having ports in it, you can see how a 2x12 can simulate a 4x12, without actualy being a big ass cab.

[Dakine]

ANY speaker can sound muddy BTW. Dos'nt mean the plaer has NO idea what they are doing. Just some speakers are not as good as others, multiply that by 4 instead of 2, you do the math.

[OD-Black_Fire]

Whoa there, these ports have tighter bass reponce? Can I add these to my 2x12?

[Petre]

well for a start i practice a hell of a lot in my bedroom. While my neighbours are pretty cool with stuff, i dont wanna make their ears bleed. Thus solid state seemed a nice option. (i do practice alot at like 9 or 10 pm, so really do have to keep the volumes reasonable then). And i know i could get a screamer combo for the price of a 2x12 engl cab and SS head.. thepoint is is when i save up some more i can swap off the SS ehad for something real tasty like an ENGL powerball or Peavey 6505 or some sorta mesa.

This is so tough everyone recommends completely different things! I think i missed all the guitar shows didnt I ? Wulda been handy heading on down to one of those.

Cheers
Petre

[Davey]

well...


i dont know where you're getting this guys, but a 2x12 wont be that much louder than a single 12" .. it will move more air, so you'll percieve it as louder, but it can stay pretty damn quiet too. in fact, just as well as a 1x12 can



so if you're discouraged by a 2x12 cos you think you'll be too loud at the same settings, dont worry, you wont be at bedroom volume.



dakine, sorry, but you havent got any idea what you're talking about. the more speakers you add, the tighter the cab. if you're muddying things up, you should try EQing diferently, if that doesnt work, change the speakers. it's not "the more the muddier" if that was the case everybody'd be using a single speaker. cheap cabs tend to sound shitee though, whatever you do with it.



adding ports to it... well. yes and no. you could do it, but i dont guarantee that it will sound better. those cabs were designed with ports in mind, so they were basicaly constructed, to make them as efficient as possible

[Petre]

so davey, your all for the 2x12 cab idea?

so if you're discouraged by a 2x12 cos you think you'll be too loud at the same settings, dont worry, you wont be at bedroom volume.

am i reading this in thinking that either way i wont be playable at bedroom volumes, or did u mean either way i wont be too loud for bedroom volumes?


Coz yea the screamer idea is always there, getting the combo. But i like the idea of getting a kind of half stack which i can swap heads on. I think it would future proof my amp. i was also thinking that when i got a second head id have a backup too for gigging situations if a valve blew.. as id still have the SS. Is an SS head with a 2x12 cab really gonna be un-useable at bedroom volumes? Im not talking stickign a valve head ontop, or anything like that just yet.

Cheers again
Petre

[deg0ey]

I mean, yeah, the whole "future proofing" thing is a good idea...That's what my Screamer was for - I'm going to uni at the end of the next year, and I'm unlikely to have no money for the 4 years following that. So, between now and next October I'm trying to get the very best gear I can manage so that I'm not frustrated as much when I have no money :P

As far as I'm concerned, the Screamer is all I'll ever need...I know there are better amps about, but for the money I'm happy to stick with what I have. I may buy an extension cab for it at some point, but apart from that I think I'm fairly set there :)

My final request is that due to me having no money for the next 4 years, could Tim kindly not develop any more products to tempt me into spending money I don't have :drink: :lol:

[Davey]

i got a 2x12


it's great for bedroom practice. the width is the same than a 1x12 combo amp (it's upright) so it doesnt take that much space, can get loud, has a better sound projection and it can rumble the walls. it can also get quiet enough that my mother doent come knocking on the door every 30 seconds.

[Petre]

SWEET. That soudns very ideal! What head do you use with it?

and hey Deg thats very wise!! Im also doing somethign similar. Im off to Uni in about a year and a half. By then i hope to have a nice alf stack and a custom ran guitar by then so i can tear it up at uni and get rockin in some sorta band there. Altho, the way i look at things (and its a terrible way so i wouldnt follow suit) is that if your in stupid amounts of debt.. woudl the extra grand really make a huge impact on the credit card or debts in general?  :roll:  :lol:  .. somethin to think about  :lol:

Oh and davey, what 2x12 is it your using?

Thanks
Petre

[Davey]

no head at the moment.

i used it with my crate gx65. now sitting there waiting to be sold so i can buy a laney gh50l .. but the damn thing just doesnt want to unload!


the cab is homemade. idea is; saw a slanted 4x12 in half and enlarge it a bit.
made from 1" thick birch. though the dude that made it for me didnt follow my instructions and now the front baffle is all $%&#ed up.

it's got two 16 ohm V30's