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Which Bogner should I get?

Shiva EL34 (2,100 EUR)
8 (57.1%)
XTC Classic EL34 (4,500 EUR)
6 (42.9%)

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Voting closed: July 15, 2006, 05:40:50 PM

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« on: July 15, 2006, 05:40:50 PM »
Allright, I wanted to know it today, drove 200KM to a shop that had them all, and tested heads for 3 hours. Here's what i think:

Diezel VH4: Very Nice. I actually don't need more than Channel 1 and 2, but 3 is still nice, 4 is too much :) It lacks character though, although it does sound good!

Soldano HR50, SLO-100: Outch! This thing cuts through !!! There's not much bass at hand, but I guess it's VERY audible in band context. Very hard and direct, very nice in its own way, but it hurts my ears, sorry. I like the gain of the amp, but it's too bright for me, even with presence down. Liked SLO100 more than the HR50. Clean is OK, but just OK.

Custom Audio Electronics 50: Nice, refined. Nice cleans, nice crunch, nice overdrive. Where does all the hype come from? I guess this is something for pros, to me this is too boring and sophisticated, I need something more agressive.

Bogner Shiva: Aaaaahhhhhhhhh, now THIS is a nice clean sound. Wooohoooo, I am not a big clean player, but almost forgot that there is another channel. This is a VERY nice clean channel, the best I heard maybe? Switch to drive and ... THANK YOU. Man this thing has balls and crunch, I LOVE IT. No matter how you dial the it, it always sounds great. Really! On V30, on Greenbacks, different but always great. The boost channel finally is pure tone and fun. I understand now what people mean if they say that this is what Marshalls are supposed to sound like.

Bogner XTC Classic: Oh-Oh .... sh... I just thought I  was happy with a 2,000 EUR amp, and now I play a 4,500 EUR one and all the happiness about the Shiva is gone. FXXX. This sounds awesome. Not better than the Shiva, just 20x more different sounds !!! Awesome. Again, there is not one bad tone no matter what the settings. Modern/Vintage? No problem. Class A or A/B? No problem, just flip a switch. 50/100 Watts? Easy. And then ... this ... arghhh ...PLEXI MODE! Goodness. I'm on my knees. This is AMAZING. NOOO, I DON'T WANNA SPEND 4,500!!! This is insane !!!!

Now I don't know. The Shiva was 100% satisfaction, I could have got it and been happy for years to come. But now I tested the Classic, and that's a different animal. Like going from B- to A League.

I tend to get the Shiva, because 4,500 EUR for an amp is crazy. On the other hand I might still be GASing if I got one. Will keep you posted, but let's vote, should I get the SHIVA or THE XTC Classic?

By the way, I will sell my Engl Screamer Top with Z5 as well as my THD UniValve with many tubes and yellowjacket adapter, if you're interested ...
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2006, 05:51:40 PM »
it ain't called XTC for nothin'. however - i'd never spend that money on an amp unless i was completely sure it'd be my last.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2006, 06:26:10 PM »
I voted for the cheaper amp, because, well, there will always be GAS, no matter how much you spend.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2006, 08:51:51 PM »
I don't know because I haven't tried either- searcher is right in a way in that there'll always be GAS, but at the same time is it wise to buy something when you really want something else?

Damned if I know, I have GAS so bad right now... it's got to the stage where about 20% of the things I try, I end up GASsing for... :(

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2006, 08:56:55 PM »
All I can add is experiance.
I own a DSL 1/4 stack and I do love it....However at the time when i purchased it I could have had anything and like I say I do love the amp but if I had my time again I would have got something far more amazing because you might not get the chance again.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2006, 08:59:27 PM »
Having a look at the specs they like totally different creatures (if the XTC is half as good as it looks on paper and on the mp3s) then the question is will the Shiva truely do all that you want ?

If it can't then you know the answer

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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2006, 09:40:01 PM »
It's a difficult decision. On one hand I would enjoy the versatility of the XTC, on the other hand I like amps with a simple layout, as otherwise you tend to get lost optimising settings.

It seems to me the Shiva is just what I need, but it could lack a little extra here and there.

On the other hand I could get the XTC and hate it for its weight, size and cost. I tested the XTC much shorter time than the Shiva, although there's much more to discover ... maybe too much.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2006, 09:52:25 PM »
only thing I can suggest is really take your time to make your mind up, and go again to try them if at all possible (this time only those two, to take more time with each). Don't feel pressured into buying something...

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2006, 11:34:51 PM »
do you REALLY need all the features on the XTC? - decide what tones you really need and get the amp that gives you this.

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2006, 11:56:33 PM »
^ ah, agreed. Features are awesome- if you use them. And as long as they aren't at the expense of tone.

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« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2006, 08:09:42 AM »
Dude..I have just been over to the Bogner site and my $%&#ing word..talk about tone!!!! Go for the XTC classic, not saying the other one was anything less then stunning but if your gonna do it ,do it properly!
YEAH! :twisted:  :twisted:

The Plexi modes are so $%&#ing dirty!!!!
http://www.bogneramplification.com/XtcGV2.mp3

Anyone know where you can get one in ol blighty?
I am in love!!!

THE GAS HURTS SO BAD!!
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« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2006, 09:04:20 AM »
The XTC101B EL34 is a beast aswell.
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« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2006, 04:22:49 PM »
If I could buy a 4,500 euro amp I would buy it. You only live once.

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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2006, 04:50:37 PM »
^ ^ www.guitarguitar.co.uk

they're the new distributor- one in glasgow, edinburgh, and newcastle.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2006, 07:08:37 PM »
8)  8)  8)  :twisted:
The circle is complete.
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