Yeah I hear you guys and I shall have to resort to promising the mercenary sod some cash. My eldest son did amazingly well with little effort as he was , apart from being a superb singer and keyboard player) a genius at computers and took the view that whatever they taught you at school and college regarding IT, was already out of date in the real world and in spite of some terrible decisions in his personal life, whe has always worked and has done ok(now lives in the USA).His brother, however, is perhaps brighter in terms of outright intellect though is bone idle and knows it all-good natured but no drive.If it has to be bribary then so be it but he knows exactly what I think of his efforts.He knows that I love him to bits and he knows too that I am not a nag so to his credit, he does recognize that when I do have a go at him something must be up.