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deg0ey

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« on: August 26, 2006, 07:19:07 PM »
I'm quite excited at the amazing cheapness of the computer I'm building compared to buying something of similar spec pre-built...

Ima give a rundown in case people are interested:

ECS Motherboard - £52.95
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800 Processor - £99.95
Kingston 1GB DDR x2 - £122.20
Maxtor 250GB SataII HDD - £49.34
Creative X-Fi Xtreme Soundcard - £76.99
ATI X1300 512MB PCI-E GPU - £45!!! (I got the last one before they went out of stock)
Sony Dual Layer DVDRW - £19.99
Sansun 500W PSU - £16.98
Antler 'Tribal' Case - £24.99
Belkin Sata Cable - £5.03
Power Lead - £1.25

That's a total of £514.67 - it's gonna OWN when I get it set up!

Any comments?
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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2006, 08:18:51 PM »
Not a bad setup. You don't appear to have mentioned a CPU heatsink or cooler? Hope you didn't forget! :)

With respect to the fans. You may find yourself upgrading them to make them quieter as it's a custom spec PC. I know I did! Noise suppression becomes an obsession!!

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2006, 08:36:08 PM »
looks good.. i remember when i got round to getting my 1st PC upgrade for 5years (when Half Life 2 came out).

Researched like Johnny 5, not picked up a PC mag since lol

Spec wise I went for:

AMD Athlon™ 64 3200+ 64Bit 2.2 Ghz/512K Cache
Asus K8T800PR, AGP8X, Dual Ch DDR400 motherboard
1gb 400mhz DDR ram
GFX card: 256mb NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Ultra GS (overclocked card)

And plenty of cooling for it ;)

Still holds up, just bought Elder Scrolls IV which runs sweet, and Fear ran brilliantly. The Prey demo is good aswell.

The PC it replaced was an AMD k6-2 500 with 256mb of ram ;)
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2006, 08:56:27 PM »
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Not a bad setup. You don't appear to have mentioned a CPU heatsink or cooler? Hope you didn't forget! :)

With respect to the fans. You may find yourself upgrading them to make them quieter as it's a custom spec PC. I know I did! Noise suppression becomes an obsession!!

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I figured the CPU comes with cooling, and I'm not planning on overclocking or anything - is that foolish of me?

Noise suppression might well become an obsession with me too, as I'm planning to use it for music mainly :drink: :lol:
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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2006, 09:31:35 PM »
A modern CPU without a fan/heatsink and thermal compound would probably burn up in seconds.

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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2006, 10:39:43 PM »
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I figured the CPU comes with cooling, and I'm not planning on overclocking or anything - is that foolish of me?


Most CPUs do not come with a heatskink and a fan. Can you show us the product (assuming u bought it online?)? Well the ones I buy don't! :)

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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2006, 11:29:24 PM »
Well, I haven't ordered yet - planning to get the order off as of monday, so there's still time (but possibly not budget :lol:) - the original post has a link in it

The one my dad bought when he built his PC (about 2 years back) came with a big chunky fan type thing anyway, it just clipped on over the top of the processor and I assumed that they all came with that...
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2006, 11:53:10 PM »
If you order the retail version of the CPU, then it will come with a heatsink/fan. If you order the OEM version, (for manufacturers), then it will be only the CPU, nothing else.

I would suggest not going with ECS,  because these are manufactured to a lower price point, and so comprises are made, such as the use of just-rated (not overrrated, as some better motherboards use) capacitors that may burn up sooner under heavy use. Buy a better motherboard, after all it is the foundation upon which everything else rests.

Another thing I'd suggest is to use two hard drives instead of one, and to use a smaller one for the system and a larger one for the data. Don't forget data backup. too.

Also, use a good power conditioner, not just a surge suppressor. Dirty AC power can diminish the life of components, and also cause software errors.

One more thing, if the motherboard you buy accepts ECC RAM, get it. Error correction in RAM is a good thing.

Oh, and what about the sound card. If this will be used mainly for audio recording, you should look at pro audio cards/controllers, rather than a general purpose (gaming, aduio, etc) controller.
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2006, 12:01:14 AM »
All very good suggestions, but I'm not after the best PC possible - I don't have the hugest of budgets, and therefore I'm settling for less on some counts...

And on the ECS note - the lower price point they are manufactured to is the price point that I can afford...but it appears to have more features than other cheaper boards, so it'll have to do :drink:
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2006, 05:19:08 AM »
bearing in mind i Am slightly intoxicated, but i seem to remember someone telling me that it was worth spending silly money on a M.O.T.U. audio interface. apparently very specialised, and entirely brilliant. ( that's Mark Of The Unicorn, which is cool in itself!! very AD&D!) if you know what that means, you get a bonus magic point!!
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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2006, 11:29:23 AM »
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bearing in mind i Am slightly intoxicated, but i seem to remember someone telling me that it was worth spending silly money on a M.O.T.U. audio interface. apparently very specialised, and entirely brilliant. ( that's Mark Of The Unicorn, which is cool in itself!! very AD&D!) if you know what that means, you get a bonus magic point!!


MOTU interfaces are amazing but really are a very expensive luxury if you aren't running a professional studio. I know a few people that use them for producing music and they do get seriously good results but the people using them are also very serious as engineers. For a lot less than the price of the decent MOTU's you can buy a couple of M-Audio Delta1010's that can be daisychained to produce a whole load of Inputs and outputs and that you can get very nearly the same sound quality.

The thing is with this stuff is that it's possibly worse for GAS than guitar playing! Once you've got a decent soundcard you want decent monitors, then you've just got to have a decent mixer to run it all through, then you're unhappy with the mics you picked up cheap when you'd left yourself skint remorgaging the house to buy a Neve desk and nothing but those neumanns you've just seen advertised for a couple of grand will really do your guitar tone justice... It's a neverending cycle!  :cry:
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2006, 09:45:46 PM »
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The thing is with this stuff is that it's possibly worse for GAS than guitar playing!


I'm discovering that too...My problem is that I like doing research too much - I'm not happy unless I'm looking for something new that I can spend my money on :lol:
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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2006, 10:32:55 PM »
You could also buy a Firewire card and maybe a USB card for some extra ports on the rear panel. They're very cheap but make life easier. Some Firewire cards come with video editing softwares in case you'd like to transfer data from your digital camcorder.

With a firewire card you can also use external sound cards that have proper ins and outs, mic input with phantom power etc. and good sound quality for home recording for an affordable price, like the M-Audio Firewire Solo. (Even Line 6 Toneports are good as soundcards and they use USB ports. They aren't pro quality but definitely better than gaming sound cards.)

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2006, 05:40:15 PM »
Phwoar, that PSU will do you no end of good.

Also, that 2GB of RAM will definitely improve your performance.

GPU could use an upgrade methinks, but since you've already bought it, it will do nicely.
I've just bought an nVidia GeForce 7600GS myself.

Other than that, looks very nice, very nice indeed.