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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2006, 01:30:56 PM »
^ to add to bainzy's post (which he pretty much already said, but I just wanted to clarify) the amount of wood used, and its quality, affects the tone too.

there are plenty of £300-ish guitars made of similar materials to a LP, going by their spec- washburn idols, and yamaha aes series to name but two- and although they're made of the right materials, they don't really sound like LP's. they're too lightweight, and have more of a modern tone (this is due to the pickups as well, to be fair). I suspect the wood isn't of as high quality either (and also it's worth remembering that lots of different species of wood are known as "mahogany", so just because it's made of "mahogany", it mightn't be the "right" mahogany, as bainzy says). they're great guitars for the money, but don't be buying one expecting it to sound like a LP...

what about gordon smith? some of them are excellent for the money, in my opinion.

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2006, 01:45:14 PM »
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what about gordon smith? some of them are excellent for the money, in my opinion.


John Smith doesn't use the same woods as Gibson, so it won't sound like a Les Paul.  It'll sound good, but not like a Les Paul.  A Japanese LP replica will be your best bet for the money if you want the LP tone.

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2006, 06:13:40 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2006, 09:23:15 PM »
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I suspect the wood isn't of as high quality either (and also it's worth remembering that lots of different species of wood are known as "mahogany", so just because it's made of "mahogany", it mightn't be the "right" mahogany, as bainzy says). they're great guitars for the money, but don't be buying one expecting it to sound like a LP...


+1

The only true mahogany used in guitars is swietenia macrophylla ('Honduran Mahogany), and that's just about commercially extinct now - Gibson only use it on their historic LP's. The only other wood considered suitable to be really labelled as mahogany is khaya ivorensis, ie. 'West African Mahogany' since the tree is very similar to swietenia. Tonally this sounds extremely close to Honduran Mahogany, and most people can't tell the difference. I'd only accept these two woods in a guitar labelled as Mahogany.

Some guitars use Sapele, which is very similar to Mahogany and is also an African wood - but it's not real Mahogany. It's harder to work with, looks a bit different and is denser - so it sounds a bit brighter. It's relatively plentiful and worth a try, but an LP made with it won't sound like a real Les Paul.

The worst Mahogany substitutes aren't from trees structurally similar to Mahogany, and the ones that are being used by some budget manufacturers definately will not sound like real Mahogany - unfortunately they've somehow been allowed to label them as such.

At the end of the day, any guitar costing £300 or less definately will not be made with "true" South American Mahogany, and if it is made with African Mahogany, it's probably going to be made up of several pieces. If you're getting a strat type guitar, this probably isn't much of a concern, but if you want that Les Paul sound you need to get at least real West African Mahogany.

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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2006, 09:30:38 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2006, 09:44:09 PM »
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John Smith doesn't use the same woods as Gibson, so it won't sound like a Les Paul.  It'll sound good, but not like a Les Paul.  A Japanese LP replica will be your best bet for the money if you want the LP tone.


true. i thought they sounded pretty LP-alike though- more so than the korean guitars I've tried that are specced with mahogany. but yeah, they probably won't sound exact. they claimed that brazilian cedar sounds like honduran mahogany when I emailed them recently, though (in a side note, I'll probably just go with that rather than wait for them to source a nice piece of "real" mahogany, but then I'm not going for a totally accurate LP tone)

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2006, 11:11:28 PM »
Whether it's the 'correct' type of Mahogany or not, I love my GordonS mith Graduate 60  8)  Sounds great with a Black Dog and a Riff Raff in ti!  :D
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2006, 12:32:02 AM »
I'm looking forward to trying out my Gordon Smith SG-1 with the Mississippi Queen I've just ordered  :D

I'm a big fan of Gordon Smith guitars.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2006, 09:01:48 PM »
^ Ditto. I tried maybe half a dozen (maybe a few more, actually) last time I was in London. I'm *this* far away from ordering one- I just need to decide which one I want/need most (from about a possible 3), and which BKP's to plump for...

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2006, 10:06:05 PM »
What's on the list Dave???

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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2006, 05:48:09 PM »
At the moment (which is totally liable to change, I'm the worst person ever at being decisive):

a gs1 with two BK p90's/MQ's
SG with riff raffs
GS2 deluxe with some as of yet undecided BKP 'buckers

I'll need to email them again to see (just in case they make my decision for me by telling me that two of those have a 9 month waiting list instead of 4 for the GS1), haven't got round to it yet...

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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2006, 06:19:52 PM »
Nice one!

By the way, it's likely to be cheaper to get one second hand and BKP it.  Gordon Smiths full price are a bit expensive for what they are, but used they're a great deal.  Depends if you want a specific bridge/colour etc I guess...

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« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2006, 09:46:15 PM »
Just scored myself a nice Greco Les Paul Custom on the ol' evilBay!!!
I'm so excited. not bad for the price, huh?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&item=320031446268&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
P.S. I've been reading about the fact that it's a "mint collection" model, and apparently this means that it's got Dimarzio pups and Nitrocellulose laquer?
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