Official proof that Dragonforce suck at guitar!

[sambo]

not quite lol.... just to close my involvement in this... Chrisola- that nailed everything i was getting at.... perfect.

and Jt., i have no problem with your disliking of dragonforce, as you stated in a reasonable way... but people who just slate get right on my nervs.

[Kilby]

I only read this topic out of a morbid facination

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/20/usb_rechargeable_standard_batteries/

Yeah totally off topic but it's better for the soul.

Rob... (distrasction the combatants often works)

[_tom_]

To me, Dragonforce are a bit of a novelty band. I liked them at first because they were fun and its pretty obvious they arent serious. Just started to get bored of them as every song/solo started to sound the same to me. Talented players though, no doubt.

There was a live video I saw on youtube (not sure whether someone posted it here or not) where their playing was truly awful and thats when I thought "will you just be quiet now" :lol:

[Muso]

JT I find it interesting that you say you can write better songs than dragonforce and also you play with more feeling. just out of interest how do you know you play with more feeling and how do you know you can write better songs? Do you have anything to back this up?

[Tellboy]

Must admit to being really sad/disappointed after reading the previous pages of this thread.

I think the BKP forum must be one of the best in terms of quality of posts, information etc. - it would be a shame if it disintegrated into the shambles of some of the other music forums - there are already signs of some of the long term members leaving/not bothering to post.

I'm probably one of the oldest members on this forum. Age has its disadvantages (e.g. wrinkles, hair falling out and growing in places where you don't want it to  :( ) but you do tend to learn a few lessons along the way. Here's a few things I've learnt over the years:-

1 - Every opinion/point of view is bound to have an opposite - I'm afraid no amount of name calling/profanities will change that (Newton's 3rd law - "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction")

2- Just because you personally don't like a certain band or type of music doesn't automatically mean it's cr@p. (It's like saying "I use Warpigs in my guitars - therefore Apaches are cr@p"). I used to have a very narrow taste in music but my son got me listening to stuff I would never have considered and this has greatly expanded my music tastes and influenced/improved my guitar playing. There has been some stuff I have really disliked but then will hear a neat guitar line and steal it and adapt to my own playing style. Open your mind up to other styles.

3 - However good you are, or think you are, there is ALWAYS someone (many in my case) better than you.

4 - Anger/hate is a very destructive feeling. If you really feel strongly about a comment or opinion someone has expressed don't lash out and call them names - try a logical 'tongue in cheek' approach.

It would be great if the posters on the previous pages have had time to cool down a bit and realise the futility of some of what they have written - but I think it's probably a bit too early for them to kiss and make up..

Anyone wants to call me names after reading this it's OK - I've been called most of them already  

[Davey]

they're all a bunch of poseours . . .

Unlike Yngwie.   :roll:

at least he can play guitar.

[Dakine]

Must admit to being really sad/disappointed after reading the previous pages of this thread.

I think the BKP forum must be one of the best in terms of quality of posts, information etc. - it would be a shame if it disintegrated into the shambles of some of the other music forums - there are already signs of some of the long term members leaving/not bothering to post.

I'm probably one of the oldest members on this forum. Age has its disadvantages (e.g. wrinkles, hair falling out and growing in places where you don't want it to  :( ) but you do tend to learn a few lessons along the way. Here's a few things I've learnt over the years:-

1 - Every opinion/point of view is bound to have an opposite - I'm afraid no amount of name calling/profanities will change that (Newton's 3rd law - "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction")

2- Just because you personally don't like a certain band or type of music doesn't automatically mean it's cr@p. (It's like saying "I use Warpigs in my guitars - therefore Apaches are cr@p"). I used to have a very narrow taste in music but my son got me listening to stuff I would never have considered and this has greatly expanded my music tastes and influenced/improved my guitar playing. There has been some stuff I have really disliked but then will hear a neat guitar line and steal it and adapt to my own playing style. Open your mind up to other styles.

3 - However good you are, or think you are, there is ALWAYS someone (many in my case) better than you.

4 - Anger/hate is a very distructive feeling. If you really feel strongly about a comment or opinion someone has expressed don't lash out and call them names - try a logical 'tongue in cheek' approach.

It would be great if the posters on the previous pages have had time to cool down a bit and realise the futility of some of what they have written - but I think it's probably a bit too early for them to kiss and make up..

Anyone wants to call me names after reading this it's OK - I've been called most of them already  

Hoorah, voice of wisdom and reason.
Shame it will fall on alot of deaf ears (kinda funny really as we are in a pickup forum which by design needs auditory perception LOL).

BTW, don't ya just HATE that relocation of body hair cr@p, sheesh, who wants to grow old :)

[Searcher]

they're all a bunch of poseours . . .

Unlike Yngwie.   :roll:

at least he can play guitar.

Yeah.  I was just having fun.  Probably silly to do it in the middle of a heated thread, but, ah well.

[Sifu Ben]

I find many parallels between Malmsteen and Dragonforce, ESPECIALLY in this context. If you look at the some of the Yngwie tuition clips on Youtube you'll see that often he sounds dreadful and hesitant when showing stuff slowly. This is in most likelihood because A) lot's of players throw out rhythm at extreme high speeds and B) lot's of players rely on speed to overcome melodic shortcomings at extreme speeds, often just ripping through scale shapes and using regular accentuation of chord tones to create an overall melodic effect. The consequence of this is that when you slow it down it sounds dreadful. Also, with tapping and sweeping licks you just don't have the muscle memory to pull it off smoothly at slower tempos.
 This is what I really love about Paul Gilbert, and why I find his tuition stuff really valuable, because he always places emphasis on rhythm and melody, and consequently his stuff sounds great at 60bpm (except the drill stuff obviously).

[genocidal tendencies]

if you check youtube for that friedman and rolly vs dragonsuck video, you'll see that they are just about slightly over an average guitarists skill, but are hiding that behind MASSIVE ammounts of compression, distortion and a whammy being used 50 times in a solo.

Firstly, dragonsuck has to be one of the most stupid insults I've ever seen in my entire life. And secondly, an average guitarist can't get close to soloing at 215bpm with 16th notes. Most probably couldn't handle playing that fast given time to learn the parts. And very few could play that fast drunk without being sloppy.

[sambo]

 This is what I really love about Paul Gilbert, and why I find his tuition stuff really valuable, because he always places emphasis on rhythm and melody, and consequently his stuff sounds great at 60bpm (except the drill stuff obviously).

+1 on Paul Gilbert.

oh and +1 on GD's comments too.

[_tom_]

This is what I really love about Paul Gilbert, and why I find his tuition stuff really valuable, because he always places emphasis on rhythm and melody, and consequently his stuff sounds great at 60bpm (except the drill stuff obviously).

Agreed, Gilbert is one of the only shredders I can stand listening to, he has the ability but doesnt abuse it and still makes songs which rock instead of boring neoclassical stuff :)

[Bainzy]

I don't think you can compare Malmsteen to Dragonforce - Yngwie's speed evolved in his attempts to emulate the fast classical pieces he'd heard played on other instruments, whereas Dragonforce play fast as a novelty element in their music, almost as if guitar playing was some sort of sport. That's why Yngwie doesn't c--k up at every speed when you see him on videos - he's playing for himself, not as some sort of speed competition.

If you listen to most of Yngwie's stuff on Rising Force for example, those runs just wouldn't sound right played slowly - he plays fast because it fits the music he's trying to create. You have to put it into context - he was really the only person playing this fast when he came out, and wasn't 'competing' with anyone for speed, but many of the guitarists that came after (DF included) turned guitar playing into a sport. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but I don't care much for it personally.

[sambo]

i dont know enough about yngwie to comment on that...

but id just say... i think pretty much all guitarists in any kind of guitar-based band, plays for themselves... not as some sort of speed competition... i mean obviously... in some ways... theyre competing with other people for speed... but i wouldnt say that they play like they do JUST for the soul purpose of being fast...

then again... its one of those questions that only they can know the real answer to yer know... its impossible for me to say they why they play the way they do... as i have no way of knowing (only they themselves know.)

its a tricky one... and very hard to judge.

[Tellboy]

This is what I really love about Paul Gilbert, and why I find his tuition stuff really valuable, because he always places emphasis on rhythm and melody, and consequently his stuff sounds great at 60bpm (except the drill stuff obviously).

+3 on Paul Gilbert - extremely talented whether you like shredding or not - as Sifu Ben said he has rhythym and melody.
After reading the September 2005 Guitar Techniques mag which featured him and a transcription of Scarified I feel a little less defeated, after struggling with the first few of the 90 bars in this, by looking at the picture of him holding his two Ibanez guitars - whereas I seem to have got a few short fag-ends grafted on the end of my hands for fingers, he seems to have got a couple of giant squids. (the end of my fingers appear to be where his 2nd joint is  :( )