yeah blood mountain is good, but took a long time to grow on me and never managed to overtake the earlier to full lengths. and then live its a totally different story. when i saw them they sounded pretty good, singing wasnt great but wasnt awful, but then ive seen some live clips and heard from mates who saw them more recenlty and brents vocals sounded like someone squeezing a terminally ill, deaf, pregnant, constipated pig