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Kilby

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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2006, 02:11:07 PM »
Quote from: MDV
Again, its not that BK are trying to tell you that you need a certain pickup for pages exact sound. Its that led zep were an energetic rock band and the BD is a slightly more powerfull but still PAFy pickup that has that sort of vibe.

Its not meant to be taken literally. If it were Tim would just make a replica of every pickup used by every band he wants to emulate the sound of. They arent that: they have their own character.


Edited due to a misunderstanding :(

I dont see the reason for repeating the same question in this thread, from what MDV and others (including myself) have posted. The differences are noticeable between the pickups, but they reflect the changes that have occured over the years that the PAf has existed (and the happy accidents that have occured in the originals to create some of these variatioons)

If I didn't know any better I would swear that somebody is 'yanking our collective chains' with the original question

You don't have to buy a Black Dog to get an approximation of the Zep tone, you can get similar with a mule. But the mule variations have been voiced to help you get some of the quirks of the artists equipment from an average guitar.

If you are not 'taking the rise' then I ask the following :

What is the classic PAF tone, everybody seems to agree that the following are, Santana, early Clapton, Page, Billy Gibbons, Angus Young Gary Moore & even early Van Halen. Most of them through marshalls but their tones are all very different. Santanna & Angus, both with SGs and PAFs, but they don't sound very similar. Spend some time with your kit trying to get all the PAF sounds and you will probably understand why it makes sense to have several variations.

The Mule will get you the the vast majority of classic PAF sound (whatever that is), but if you feel biased towards a particular tone then surely it makes sense to use something with that particular characteristic.

I can't beleive I actually bothered to reply to this !

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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2006, 02:19:25 PM »
Kilby, I'm not arguing with that.

You dont seem to have understood me. I've already said as much as you have there about similar pickups also getting you close to the tone, and different pickups getting pleasingly and imporatntlt (to some) different sounds.

I was commenting where the name came from, and that its not supposed to mean "If you want a page tone you have t get the black dog".

Read before typing, damn you!

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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2006, 02:42:30 PM »
Quote from: MDV
Kilby, I'm not arguing with that.

Read before typing, damn you!


Errrr my quoting went a bit wrong.

I was agreeing with you.

What I was commenting about was the fact that the originator of the thread was ignoring the points being made, and simply asking the same question agaim

A bit like the users in work :
This software dosn't work,
You are using a PC you need to run it on a Mac
But I want to run it on this PC,
It won't work on this machine you need to use a mac or different software
But I want to run this software on this PC,
........
repeat ad infinitum


Now I have to go back and edit my post :(

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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2006, 03:04:15 PM »
Oh. OK then.

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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2006, 03:16:26 PM »
Quote from: Kilby



I can't beleive I actually bothered to reply to this !


And I can't believe that I actually bothered to read yours.
It was a simple question, nobody else had a problem with it. I can't find any instances of me repeating myself ad infinitum either.
Perhaps you should concentrate on showing girls how to use computers, and not waste your oh so precious time on this forum.

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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2006, 03:22:58 PM »
I would suggest re-reading your posts as indeed I had to re-read and revise one of mine, because we don't all manage to convey what we mean correctly the 1st time around.

You asked the same thing 3 times actually,

People including myself have attempted to explain why particuloar pickups exist I apologise for doing so. and will not make the same mistake again.

I will not replay in the manner which I wish to at this point in time.

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2006, 03:37:54 PM »
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I will not replay in the manner which I wish to at this point in time.


Never mind, I won't be losing any sleep over it.

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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2006, 03:43:35 PM »
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BKP produce 15 different types of humbucker...So from a commercial perspective there's certainly a market


Hm, I think it's more the guitar manufacturers that benefit, what else would give me reason to get 22 guitars: 15 Humbucker,5 single coil and two P-Type sets
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« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2006, 09:53:49 PM »
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Does anyone actually know for sure that pages pickups are PAFs, cos he could have changed them? (just a thought)

Anyway, i know at one point he had a double cream in the bridge, but he had the pickup changed to one with a nickel cover cos i think it got messed up or something...

and remember, if your trying to recreate his tone, he used push pull pots and stuff, so that would have an effect on the sound/tone...


Exactly what I said - one of his Les Pauls had a hotter bridge pickup in it throughout the Zeppelin days, and the other may have had two other pickups or two PAFs or the same, I'm really not sure.
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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2006, 09:54:34 PM »
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Quote from: gingataff
BKP produce 15 different types of humbucker...So from a commercial perspective there's certainly a market


Hm, I think it's more the guitar manufacturers that benefit, what else would give me reason to get 22 guitars: 15 Humbucker,5 single coil and two P-Type sets


You have 22 guitars???!?!?!?!?!?

Sup buddy!!!!!! ;)
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2006, 10:39:24 PM »
Ok, so bottom line. We've established that the pickup names bear little or no relationship to the band/song/artist that they refer to. What would you put into a '59 reissue, to make it sound like a Les Paul should. Old school.

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« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2006, 10:43:56 PM »
Well I think the general consensus is that Mules are the best for a classic LP tone. They can do anything, much better than the stock pickups in my Epi and better than my mates stock Gibson imho (then I would say that wouldnt I :lol: ). If you email tim he'll give you a recommendation..

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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2006, 01:42:59 AM »
Quote from: ftwizard
Ok, so bottom line. We've established that the pickup names bear little or no relationship to the band/song/artist that they refer to. What would you put into a '59 reissue, to make it sound like a Les Paul should. Old school.


Well for the original Les Paul tone, Mules.  But you don't have to go Mules just because they are the original pickups for Les Pauls.  If you want a slightly more aggressive tone, Black Dogs, and if you want a bright, mid heavy tone, Rebel Yells are awesome and can cover the Mule grounds as well (and I should note this works both ways).

Between those three, it's basically deciding what you play and might be playing soon with them and where you want your tone focused in at.  The Rebel Yells are focused in the moderate gain levels and I find they will do it quite well in a Les Paul.

Usually the pickups are named after what they're supposed to sound like rather than being copied from pickups that that the player used.  It kind of gives you an idea of what you can expect from them.
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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2006, 05:41:01 AM »
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You have 22 guitars???!?!?!?!?!?

Sup buddy!!!!!! ;)


Not YET :)
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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2006, 11:32:19 AM »
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I can't beleive I actually bothered to reply to this !


And I can't believe that I actually bothered to read yours.
It was a simple question, nobody else had a problem with it. I can't find any instances of me repeating myself ad infinitum either.
Perhaps you should concentrate on showing girls how to use computers, and not waste your oh so precious time on this forum.


I just LOVE it when ppl. come this this board and ask for help and end up slagging off long standing members and acting/posting like a complete ASS/Lil child.
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