Author Topic: Engl invader (Read 17613 times)

MDV · « **on:** October 30, 2006, 05:09:22 PM »

Anyone tried or heard an invader?

Know of any clips?

Its top of my list for new amp at the moment.

Dakine · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2006, 05:16:58 PM »

cannot find any clips yet :(
Only just available in stores or still on order it seem's :(
A guy said he tried it at the factory and was very excited, but at about £1,800 I would hope so too :)

MDV · « **Reply #2 on:** October 30, 2006, 06:48:53 PM »

1500 from thomann music

http://www.thomann.de/gb/engl_invader_150.htm

Thats the first I've seen it on sale.

I'm really tempted to pull the trigger on it.

Dakine · « **Reply #3 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:06:32 PM »

DO it :)

I think thats alot for an Engl but that's just me :)

MDV · « **Reply #4 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:10:04 PM »

I dunno man. The specs are amazing. The closest mesa, for example, is the road king and thats twice as much.

But its tough with no idea what it sounds like.

I'm half "Do it" and I'm half "I have to wait a bit anyway, so wait till I've tried one".

Dakine · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:16:21 PM »

£1,527 at Beyers too.

Thing is, getting VERY close to MANY Boutique amps at that price with TOTAL hand wiring and NO Valves on PCB mounts etc.

Anywhoo, I like spec's too, just think it's alot.

Def. wait to play it at the price I think.

Remember midi pedal is extra too and not cheap.

chrisola · « **Reply #6 on:** October 30, 2006, 07:35:50 PM »

id hit it if i didnt have a phobia of midi\dials and controls :P

All the ENGL gainy tones in 1 box....it will be more than enough varieties sonic carnage for even the most hardened tonemeister!

hunter · « **Reply #7 on:** October 30, 2006, 08:06:01 PM »

Who needs 4 EQs / 8 sounds?

You think they will really sound so different in a stage/gig context?

That would be too much for me to handle all these options - especially when in stage fever ...

Hell Hound · « **Reply #8 on:** October 30, 2006, 08:26:24 PM »

150w? Are you going to gig in super giant stadiums with no sound system? :lol:
Never understood why the debauchery of power, 50w is more than enough.
I love Engl but that is just overkill.

dave_mc · « **Reply #9 on:** October 30, 2006, 08:42:58 PM »

I'd wait till I tried it, and also wait till the 100 (or even 50) watter came out, as they'd be cheaper.

But then you know my procrastination tendencies...

EDIT: are you selling the screamer to finance this?

MDV · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2006, 09:17:53 PM »

Ok, first off I'm a git for liking different sounds on different days of the week, so lots of options is great for me.

And 150W isnt that much louder than 100W: just more headroom. Plus EL34s disort earlier than 6l6.

Dave, your savafe is 120 isnt it? How much to you have to crank it?

(Plus, I seem to recall you ordered it without trying??? C'mon, fess up!)

When I have the new head, whatever it is, I'll sell both the screamer and the TSL. I do have plans for some of my money, other than guitar stuff, and would rather not have a grands worth sitting in amps I dont need.

Hence the new one has to make both the screamer and the marshall comprehensively obsolete!

dave_mc · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2006, 09:39:00 PM »

^ quiet you!

:lol:

in my defence, I got a great deal- £1149 for a savage se, where sites over here were selling for £2600... to be fair, I wouldn't have given £2600 for it, but you know what I mean. it was a hell of a deal, they were the last few left, I had to overcome my usual procrastination... and I got lucky.

Also, my savage SE has triode operation- which cuts it down to half wattage/half volume depending on who you believe (I'm inclined to believe half volume). Also, mine might be 100 watts, the manual says 120, and the back of the amp says 100 (or vice versa, I can't remember- it's a mismatch, anyway!).

In your case, you aren't bound by a great deal, so (if you're patient, and i admit I have either superhuman levels of patience, or procrastination, or just plain shame-faced laziness, which helps me out in waiting) I'd wait to get to try it. Before I bought mine, I pm'ed yoeri (who runs the unofficial engl forum and owns a savage se) a lot, and was able to compare to the other engls I'd tried etc- according to the engl bumph, the invader is quite a new concept- it's kind of a dark horse, in other words.

I realise I'm just trying to defend what I did, and to be perfectly honest- I got DAMN lucky. In fact, for the first week or two I was a little disappointed. Then I started to realise how kickass it was.

So yeah, I got lucky- I wouldn't recommend buying something without trying, and it was only very specific circumstances that led me to take such a chance, which is totally unlike me.

I also realise I wrote I can pass up a deal in your other thread- guess you caught me out! :lol:

Anyway, as far as how far do I have to crank it... the power amp starts to come into things (with the channel volumes maxed) from around 4-5 on the master volume... and obviously, the higher the better.

On pentode/full power mode, full volume is enough to feel like someone is literally punching you in the chest. It's awesome, in other words, but you do need the ability to crank it. It does sound a lot better up full...

this has been another long-winded post, courtesy of Dave_Mc. :lol:

EDIT: what about an Engl SE? if you're willing to buy from beyers or thomann, you can pick one up for about 3000 euro, which is around £2000... it has MIDI built-in, you just have to fork out for the MIDI footswitch, which is around £150. And it has the ability to use either el34's or 6L6's... and has half-power operation.

It's super versatile. But I guess you'd want to try the invader as well...

Dakine · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2006, 10:51:42 PM »

Savage SE still on evilbay for £800

Davey · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:25:46 PM »

Quote from: Dakine

£1,527 at Beyers too.

Thing is, getting VERY close to MANY Boutique amps at that price with TOTAL hand wiring and NO Valves on PCB mounts etc.

Anywhoo, I like spec's too, just think it's alot.

Def. wait to play it at the price I think.

Remember midi pedal is extra too and not cheap.

dude... engls arent hand wired.. they are on PCB boards and what's more, some of the cables that are in there (hopefully used for midi switching) are the same you use in your computer as the disk data cable.)

search the net a bit for pictures.
i must say it tipped me off from ENGLs.. they do sound good (still waiting for the store to get them, so i can try some of em out myself), but with that kinda wireing, and cables, for that kind of money, i expect a lot more.

i was dead set for a thunder, but seeing that, it realy tiped me back to the GH50L

Dakine · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2006, 11:33:20 PM »

Quote from: Davey

Quote from: Dakine
£1,527 at Beyers too.

Thing is, getting VERY close to MANY Boutique amps at that price with TOTAL hand wiring and NO Valves on PCB mounts etc.

Anywhoo, I like spec's too, just think it's alot.

Def. wait to play it at the price I think.

Remember midi pedal is extra too and not cheap.

dude... engls arent hand wired.. they are on PCB boards and what's more, some of the cables that are in there (hopefully used for midi switching) are the same you use in your computer as the disk data cable.)

search the net a bit for pictures.
i must say it tipped me off from ENGLs.. they do sound good (still waiting for the store to get them, so i can try some of em out myself), but with that kinda wireing, and cables, for that kind of money, i expect a lot more.

i was dead set for a thunder, but seeing that, it realy tiped me back to the GH50L

Dude,
learn to read.

I said it is getting CLOSE to a handwired boutique amp in price!

Sheesh. Engl do make nice tone machines but at the price, i.e. £1,500+ a handwired, non-pcb tube mount amp etc. is emminently poss.