Thomann.de

[Richie Zero]

If I could just chime in on the Thomann question ....

I do recommend them in general and have put thousands of Euros worth of business their way. On price and standard service, they're unbeatable. But if your dealings go beyond ordering something online from stock, they can be very frustrating and are anything but flexible. You'll not get quick answers on any e-mail enquiries and will have trouble getting hold of anyone on the phone.
Be careful of ordering B-stock too. I ordered an amp advertised "B-stock, returned goods, perfect condition, original packaging damaged". When it came, the package still included the letter of complaint from the previous customer, listing a number of genuine faults.

[MDV]

OK, nother opinion thing.

Lets say the KH 100r is not won by me.

So, I can go for a KH 55r (same thing in 55watts, which tbh is MORE than fine, and with warranty etc.).

But what about the NEW K Tre???? Damn, hate decisions. I hav'nt tried this one. Two channels with heaviest gain on any Rivera ever produced and the other the 'normal' gorgeous Rivera clean channel. Apart from only 2 channels the main deiff. I can see is lack of midi switching.

Now, have not had a midi amp but think it's very nice/useable idea. But, what in 'real world' would you guys say?

K Tre without midi

K 55 r with midi

Thanks

Nick

People got by without midi for ages just fine :D

But seriously, I think the 3 channel-ness and multiple options of the K55R would let you use midi to your advantage to switch between sounds and what have you.

The Tre, being two channel, I know I would pick a clean and a distortion I like and switch between them normally and midi isnt really missing from this simpler amp.

So I think the choice seems to me to be between multi-option playground amp and more conventional amp. Real world? I can see the midi being really usefull at gigs. I can also see a great amp making great tones and a happy Nick (or Mark, as I'm looking at similar things) just fine without it.

[Dakine]

^
Thanks for the heads-up.
Hopefully you just got a 'one-off bad one' there.

The B-Stock am looking at states it's missing orig. packing, whereas some state they are a return (though it's only as good/correct as whoever inputs the data wants it to be). Dunno. It is warrantied but sending back/forth will be a pita for any issues.

Now am in dilema over the KH55r and the K Tre , damn, not easy when hav'nt got full range nearby to try.

Know I love the KHR but not tried the K Tre.

Not sure that no midi and one less channel will make much diff. to me.

Darn Dave_Mc has infected me with indecisions AAAGGGGHHH!!!!!!!

[Dakine]

OK, nother opinion thing.



K Tre without midi

K 55 r with midi

Thanks

Nick

People got by without midi for ages just fine :D

But seriously, I think the 3 channel-ness and multiple options of the K55R would let you use midi to your advantage to switch between sounds and what have you.

The Tre, being two channel, I know I would pick a clean and a distortion I like and switch between them normally and midi isnt really missing from this simpler amp.

So I think the choice seems to me to be between multi-option playground amp and more conventional amp. Real world? I can see the midi being really usefull at gigs. I can also see a great amp making great tones and a happy Nick (or Mark, as I'm looking at similar things) just fine without it.

Mark,
it's funny as I discount some (like the Engl Invader) due to some aspects like the complexity. However the functions afforded by the midi on the Knucklehead are very tempting (esp. as intend a Rocktron rack unit in future).
However, with both Mesa and Engl, did I constantly tweak/switch/change? NOPE, I found a good sound on each channel for me and pretty much left it as 'my tone'. Course, changing guitars (as Tim's pups are so different also) makes for abit of tweaking but still.

I guess the K Tre is touted as HEAVIEST Rivera ever. And due to pristine clean channel it can be used with pedals/effects alone, not taking into account the gain monster channel.

Ahh, shoot, it will figure itself out one way or another. May still end up with the Knucklehead 100 yet, just got feeling deep down I will not go far enough to win it (damn it'll be a long round trip, hell, am almost at BKP HQ, wanna put the coffee on and lemme sample more pups Tim et all???? ;)).

Spending this kinda dosh is not easy huh :)

[Richie Zero]

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Thanks for the heads-up.
Hopefully you just got a 'one-off bad one' there.

The B-Stock am looking at states it's missing orig. packing, whereas some state they are a return (though it's only as good/correct as whoever inputs the data wants it to be). Dunno. It is warrantied but sending back/forth will be a pita for any issues.

I'm sure most of the B stock products are fine and as described, i.e. are really just missing the packaging or were returned because the customers just didn't like what they ordered. Just be extra picky and give the gear a real good once over and you'll be fine.
Just thought it fair to let you know that they are not completely adverse to trying to pull a fast one!

[Dakine]

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and I DO appreciate it. Hassle or not, least they give 30 day money back gaurantee.

They actually emailed me back and assured me it was/is just the packaging.

Another head , B-Stock, says packing missing and is a return.

Again, guess it has to do with the honesty/integrety/knowledge of the person inputting the data on the site.









On another subject, the guy selling the KH100r head, phew,hmmm, well, been emailing him and dunno. I politely asked (fishing trip ;)) why he had no reserve/minimum start price and he was not getting alot of bids (done this before, just fishing). I said it looks very nice and I have bid my max and look forward to the end. He emails me back kinda outraged, 'are you serious! I expect a minimum of X amount!, it cost me X amount and is as new! I have people emailling me and a local guy that wants it'. Friggin el!!!!!!! LOL. What a $£&&** firstly, my MAX bid is NOT seen by him (guess he thought the max bid right at moment was/is my max bid). Obviously he is abit daft to be posting on Ebay me thinks. Heck, am sure will go higher at end of time but heck, it goes for what it goes for when there is No Reserve and No Starting price. I dare say if he dos'nt make what he expects/wants he will refuse to sell. Sheesh, some ppl. :)

No worries, either way will have one this weekend  :twisted:

[MDV]

Crazy. Way to go into it with forethought there!

I can see him getting good feedback
/sarcasm.

This weekend, eh? New amp o' clock...exciting times!

You leaning to the 55 or the Tre then if you dont get the 100?

[Philly Q]

On another subject, the guy selling the KH100r head, phew,hmmm, well, been emailing him and dunno. I politely asked (fishing trip ;)) why he had no reserve/minimum start price and he was not getting alot of bids (done this before, just fishing).

I see it's the first sale he's made, so maybe he's just not very clued up about reserve prices etc.  And it's good that he's not getting many bids!  I never bid on anything until the very last minute, bidding early just pushes the price up unnecessarily (unless you're the only one of course!).  There could be loads of people watching it.

(I'm not going to bid on the head BTW   !  Just interested to see what it sells for)

[Dakine]

Knucklehead KHR (Tre,hmm, just too many possibilities with KHR and have some exp. with it, but not Tre).

Order or win this weekend.

I fully realise bidding may go nuts at end and not worried at all. Have a fair max bid. Just abit aghast at his response, wether he is nieve or not, not a good way to great a possible customer (as it where). Anyway, tbh, kinda jaded with his attitude so if win thats fine (less he runs me around) if not fine too :)

Just pondering darn cab now. More difficult than a head!  

[Dakine]

Philly, this turning into bit of a Soap Opera? ;) You voyeur you LOL

[Philly Q]

Philly, this turning into bit of a Soap Opera? ;) You voyeur you LOL

Have to make do with whatever excitement I can find, at my age.  

[Dakine]

Philly, this turning into bit of a Soap Opera? ;) You voyeur you LOL

Have to make do with whatever excitement I can find, at my age.  

ROFLMAO

Well Sambo is usually quite entertaining  

[dave_mc]

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Darn Dave_Mc has infected me with indecisions AAAGGGGHHH!!!!!!!

I'll have you know I just bought a valve junior today- only 2/3 days after trying it! That qualifies as an impulse buy for me! :lol:

It could also bring a valid viewpoint to the "MIDI or not MIDI" argument. My engl has 14,347 knobs at last count (and a few round the back I probably missed too)- and I just bought an amp with 1 knob.

Is that because I already have what Mark calls a "playground" amp? Or because I'm getting sick of so many knobs?

I have no idea. But I know it's nice to have both! :lol:

[dave_mc]

If I could just chime in on the Thomann question ....

I do recommend them in general and have put thousands of Euros worth of business their way. On price and standard service, they're unbeatable. But if your dealings go beyond ordering something online from stock, they can be very frustrating and are anything but flexible. You'll not get quick answers on any e-mail enquiries and will have trouble getting hold of anyone on the phone.
Be careful of ordering B-stock too. I ordered an amp advertised "B-stock, returned goods, perfect condition, original packaging damaged". When it came, the package still included the letter of complaint from the previous customer, listing a number of genuine faults.

I think that's a bit like the bad things I heard about them (the first paragraph, not the "pulling a fast one" paragraph).

[Dakine]

Dave,

GO AWAY

You have indecision disease (VJ purchase or not) and it's catching!!!!!!!!!!
















JK
And good for u on the baby amp purchase :)
Am concerning myself with the age old 'what speaker is best' choice now.
Although, if the Diezel is cheap enough it a no brainer really (V30's kinda always work, maybe not THE speaker for amp but always work:)).