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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2006, 12:35:31 PM »
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OK... just one note ahahahahah
Nailbomb is #$%!& Tight. i thought it was flabby or something like that. but i just amazed on how the pickup surpassed my expectations.
it has bass enough, TIGHTNESS enough, and excellent mids.
Good Harmonics,  and Very good Middles.
i wish it had an overal darker sound. but itīs FAR than Excellent.
iīll keep this one and get MORE bkps. definitelly.
Its the devilīs Pickups.
JP


it won't sound too bright on alder???


Looking at Full Distortion's list of guitar brands most of those are alder bodied guitars, so maybe his Nailbomb isn't as dark since it's already in an alder bodied guitar? I don't know, I've heard plenty of nailbomb clips in many different wooded guitars and none of them have sounded too bright at all. Opeth you'd defintely want Nailbomb, Painkiller is more for gay English Leather Biker Rock :P


I think i have found my perfect pickup - i was thinking of a black dog or mule but gay English Leather Biker Rock fits my style perfectly!!!
BKP's - Black Dogs...

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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2006, 12:54:53 PM »
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It looks like my Miracle Man is fine... but it sometimes to "Mushy" for single notes and intricate riffs and tight playing...

Miracle Man sounds mushy??? Have you checked your amp settings and pickup height? Based on the Miracle Man clips on this board the MM is as tight as a nut.

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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2006, 02:04:59 PM »
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mmmm.... does it really sound "british" and gay :( ?...

Well it definitely sounds British, but only fairly gay IMHO.  Gayer than a Warpig, but not as gay as a Dimebucker or ....



Maybe that's something Tim and the boys could consider including in the specs on the website update - DC resistance, bass, lower mids, upper mids, treble and gayness.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2006, 03:00:58 PM »
"I just lurve my Warpig... Squeal little piggie.. squeal....

 

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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2006, 05:19:42 PM »
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It looks like my Miracle Man is fine... but it sometimes to "Mushy" for single notes and intricate riffs and tight playing...

Miracle Man sounds mushy??? Have you checked your amp settings and pickup height? Based on the Miracle Man clips on this board the MM is as tight as a nut.


why should I blame my amp settings for how a miracle man sounds? (I've also checked height and it only increased bass and output)

I never said a miracle man sounds bad and never said it wasn't tight. I liked it alot! but it isn't helping me out in my recent playing.

I mean tightER and LESS mushy for single notes and much more articulate and punchy for my needs and songwriting I described.

but this is a wierd choice because th Nailbomb is alnico V pickup and the painkiller is a ceramic...

more opinions based on my needs please...

don't need opinions saying that a painkiller is "gay" if thats not true  :?

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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2006, 06:57:22 PM »
if you want to know if the painkiller is good for metal go listen to the song Painkiller. The pickup is modelled after that sound, and they sure get a good metal tone.

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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2006, 07:23:52 PM »
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if you want to know if the painkiller is good for metal go listen to the song Painkiller. The pickup is modelled after that sound, and they sure get a good metal tone.



if the Painkiller sounds as kick ass as the main riff intro in that song... then it is HEAVY AS $%&#  :D

It sounds like a tight bass response and with a very nice mid punch and controlled highs.




I guess the problem is no heavy metal clips for the painkillers  :(

also all the site is lacking info on the painkiller... maybe there should be more info and clips of it?

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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2006, 07:45:37 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2006, 09:11:12 PM »
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It looks like my Miracle Man is fine... but it sometimes to "Mushy" for single notes and intricate riffs and tight playing...

it seems like if the miracle man was a perfect "powercord" and chug pickup but not all I do is power cords  and chug :? ...


 :o  :o  :o  :o  :o

Thats all the things a miracle man isnt!

Its FOR tight single note and precise lead lines.

http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=172

Seems pretty defined to me...

And to prove it to myself at least I have 2 of them and 3 amps to play them through to eliminate that as a variable...and yes, its tight in all of them and ultra-clear in all but the TSL (mushy amp).

Something else must be going on here  :? . Try playing it through another setup

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2006, 09:24:04 PM »
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but the problem is... TOO MUCH POWER lol

very very high output pickups tend to turn to mushy muddy tone and if I get a ceramic warpig then I'd be much more unpleased because it would sound like  a super miracle man.

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I never said a miracle man sounds bad and never said it wasn't tight. I liked it alot! but it isn't helping me out in my recent playing.

I mean tightER and LESS mushy for single notes and much more articulate and punchy for my needs and songwriting I described.

I don't know anything about the Miracle Man and how mushy it is or isn't, but maybe you should be considering something other than just the high-output metal pickups?  Rebel Yell maybe?

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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2006, 10:23:22 PM »
I don't get you guys...

ok... let me put this in a more BKP fanboy forum way.

WOWWW THE MIRACLE MAN KIKS ASSS!!!! CLEAR PERFECT WOWWW!!!


"but" I want something different...

 :roll:


how can I say I want a different pickup with other specs and voicing without offending a miracle man owner that will give me a sermon on how I should use ---MY--- equipment properly?

I'm damn sure no BKP sounds muchy, bad and etc.... but it is just a comparison thing between a miracle man and a very large missguided "hit or miss" selection of pickups.

I'm also damn sure the Miracle Man is NOT the end all be all metal pickup, that's why there are other pickups like "warpig, nailbomb, Painkiller, etc..."

I said I'm in love with the cold sweat but need another different pickup than a miracle man in the bridge. That's all  :? Not because it is very favored here I MUST like it! that's very inmature of you guys and it pisses me off because I'm being honest with the miracle man not being my cup of tea.

so I decided to try out the Painkiller and just wanted more info on it because the whole site lacks Painkiller info. (Searched ALOT and no useful info).

rant off/  :cry:

(no need for someone to get offened by my post)  :oops:

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2006, 10:42:21 PM »
How about a Cold Sweat bridge pickup if you like the neck version?

I've never played it, but it seems logical to me.

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2006, 10:44:31 PM »
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I don't get you guys...

ok... let me put this in a more BKP fanboy forum way.

WOWWW THE MIRACLE MAN KIKS ASSS!!!! CLEAR PERFECT WOWWW!!!


"but" I want something different...

 :roll:


how can I say I want a different pickup with other specs and voicing without offending a miracle man owner that will give me a sermon on how I should use ---MY--- equipment properly?

I'm damn sure no BKP sounds muchy, bad and etc.... but it is just a comparison thing between a miracle man and a very large missguided "hit or miss" selection of pickups.

I'm also damn sure the Miracle Man is NOT the end all be all metal pickup, that's why there are other pickups like "warpig, nailbomb, Painkiller, etc..."

I said I'm in love with the cold sweat but need another different pickup than a miracle man in the bridge. That's all  :? Not because it is very favored here I MUST like it! that's very inmature of you guys and it pisses me off because I'm being honest with the miracle man not being my cup of tea.

so I decided to try out the Painkiller and just wanted more info on it because the whole site lacks Painkiller info. (Searched ALOT and no useful info).

rant off/  :cry:

(no need for someone to get offened by my post)  :oops:


Hey man, I trust that you trust your ears.

And I went through 2 miracle men before I got the one that was right for me (it has a great character for my playing, clear and well defined, but A: I wanted more bass for the trebly guitar it was in....double screw pole...THEN I decided it needed more gain....23k version).

I was just trying to point you in the direction of looking at other aspects of your sound. Its possible for teh MM to sound mushy in a mushy amp, for example. Its quite scooped with a lot of low mids, so if you play scooped, or you have an amp that is strong in those ranges (like my TSL) then it may lose clarity.

From your description of what you want and my experience of the MM I think it would be a great pickuip for you, but it sounds like something else is happening because its definately not a mushy pickup, and has superb clarity and definition in single note lines.

What are you playing it through?

P.S. For a simliar level of clarity its reliably touted around here that the painkiller is up to the job, and it has a very different voicing that may work for you. I cant veryify that personally, as I dont have one. I can tell you that the ceramic warpig is nigh on as tight as a miracle man and has a middier sound that could be what you're looking for.

P.P.S. Your post did come off as attacking: if its not your intention to offend, you may want to think about liberal use of capitals and blunt phrasings of generalisations about the members of this board (who are very friendly and always helpfull).

The amount of experience of BKs (and other pickups: no one goes straight for BKs; we all got here via all the other big brands) that everyone here has far outweighs yours or mine, and where you see a consensus about a pickup (eg its got a very defined tone) its right.

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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2006, 12:09:40 AM »
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I don't get you guys...

ok... let me put this in a more BKP fanboy forum way.

WOWWW THE MIRACLE MAN KIKS ASSS!!!! CLEAR PERFECT WOWWW!!!


"but" I want something different...

 :roll:


how can I say I want a different pickup with other specs and voicing without offending a miracle man owner that will give me a sermon on how I should use ---MY--- equipment properly?

I'm damn sure no BKP sounds muchy, bad and etc.... but it is just a comparison thing between a miracle man and a very large missguided "hit or miss" selection of pickups.

I'm also damn sure the Miracle Man is NOT the end all be all metal pickup, that's why there are other pickups like "warpig, nailbomb, Painkiller, etc..."

I said I'm in love with the cold sweat but need another different pickup than a miracle man in the bridge. That's all  :? Not because it is very favored here I MUST like it! that's very inmature of you guys and it pisses me off because I'm being honest with the miracle man not being my cup of tea.

so I decided to try out the Painkiller and just wanted more info on it because the whole site lacks Painkiller info. (Searched ALOT and no useful info).

rant off/  :cry:

(no need for someone to get offened by my post)  :oops:


Hey man, I trust that you trust your ears.

And I went through 2 miracle men before I got the one that was right for me (it has a great character for my playing, clear and well defined, but A: I wanted more bass for the trebly guitar it was in....double screw pole...THEN I decided it needed more gain....23k version).

I was just trying to point you in the direction of looking at other aspects of your sound. Its possible for teh MM to sound mushy in a mushy amp, for example. Its quite scooped with a lot of low mids, so if you play scooped, or you have an amp that is strong in those ranges (like my TSL) then it may lose clarity.

From your description of what you want and my experience of the MM I think it would be a great pickuip for you, but it sounds like something else is happening because its definately not a mushy pickup, and has superb clarity and definition in single note lines.

What are you playing it through?

P.S. For a simliar level of clarity its reliably touted around here that the painkiller is up to the job, and it has a very different voicing that may work for you. I cant veryify that personally, as I dont have one. I can tell you that the ceramic warpig is nigh on as tight as a miracle man and has a middier sound that could be what you're looking for.

P.P.S. Your post did come off as attacking: if its not your intention to offend, you may want to think about liberal use of capitals and blunt phrasings of generalisations about the members of this board (who are very friendly and always helpfull).

The amount of experience of BKs (and other pickups: no one goes straight for BKs; we all got here via all the other big brands) that everyone here has far outweighs yours or mine, and where you see a consensus about a pickup (eg its got a very defined tone) its right.



thankyou for understanding and pointing also that my post came out as attacking. I'm sorry if someone got offended by it but I'm sure I make my point quite clear. but I apologize because you are very friendly helpful guys.


the thing is I use a mesa mark IIC+ and mark IVs and they are generally very defined and focused amps in sound and not modern buzzy sounding. They are also bright amps and the gain relies alot with the treble knob and VERY MID heavy amps and bass settings must be placed very very low and enhanced and pumped up with the graphic EQ to make it thumpy and nice...
It seems like my Miracle Man fights with my setup and it doesn't complement it. Also consider the randy rhoads alder with maple neck so it is a mid-highs kind of thing...

so I naturally thought... DUH I need a Miracle man to "balance" with my setup. But I was wrong because the miracle man sounds "loose" in my setup and thats kind of strange... then I raised the height and it raised output and increased bass but made it sound mushy and I lowered it and it was more defined but lacking balls...

standard 6 string tuning----

I experimented with high gain metal:

chugs= nice and heavy with balls but could be tighter
harmonic pinches= very very good
shredding= attacking and nice but trebly and a bit messy
mellow work= sounds just too damn metal for this lol
power cords = THE BEST... really...
complicated cords with high gain= could have more clarity...
single notes= buzzy and trebly

(again... I repeat... in my setup)

so as you can see it works... but NOT fully. I'm sure it has worked out with alot of you guys but not really for me.

So maybe a bit less output, a tighter bass and more pronounced mids can complement well with my setup... that's my theory. What do you think could mold out better with my setup?

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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2006, 02:20:38 AM »
Thats more helpfull for us trying to help you, thanks.

First off, I never found mesas of any sort that I've tried to be particularly tight. MkIvs are about the best for it, but still its not a defining characteristic of any of their 198450918475081 tones.

Then theres the EQ thing. Bassy, middy amp + Bassy, low middy pickup = bass and mid overload, so its possibly working against you.

What pickup did you change to miracle man from?

Anyway, so far my suggestions are these:

1: Use thicker strings. Always great for tightening things up, and a cheap experiment, and cheap solution if it works.

2: try an EQ in line with the guitar and amp. A bit more expensive, but they tend to be one of those things you eiter rely on all the time, or dont use most of the time and every now and then they're invaluable. Great investment however you cut it.

3: Get to a guitar shop with the pretense of buying an amp or to a mates house that you know has a quite different, but still similar enough amp and try the guitar through that...though I doubt you'll be buying a new amp unless this experiment reveals to you a flaw in your amps tone (its not particularly to my taste because I like the tighter, more open end of the metal spectrum (I use an engl screamer as my main amp, for the time being), but it'll let you figure out what the pickup sounds like outside your setup, if you see what I mean, and at the very least that can help you understand what you want to be different more clearly)

4: try a rebel yell, crawler, cold sweat or nailbomb. All have lower output than a miracle man and very different voicings, but I havent tried any, so I cant advise you any further on that: if you've heard the clips and spent some time on or searched the boards you know as much as me about those.