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« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2006, 09:00:45 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2006, 09:08:29 PM »
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No, it was the one where John Lee, convicted of a murder but protesting his inncocence, had his sentence commuted to life after there had been malfunctions during the execution.Three times there was a mechanical failure and it was deemed that it was inhuman to put him through it.


After an experience like that i'd start gambling heavily!  :lol:

Incidentally, the copy of the hangmans tale that I have was stolen by my mate from a prison library many moons ago... what a thing to have in prison!  :lol:
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« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2006, 09:17:59 PM »
do you guys still hang criminals over in england?

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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2006, 09:20:22 PM »
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?



Not officialy!  :lol:
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2006, 10:11:18 PM »
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?


No - it seems like we hang the victims of their crimes whilst giving the criminals lots of money and an apology for infringing their human rights or upsetting their feelings
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2006, 10:16:21 PM »
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And as you say, some of the cr@p they beef up these drugs up with to improve profits are horrendous, stuff like warfarin (basically rat poison) and stuff. Disgusting what some people are willing to do to get more money.

I never understood this - why use rat poison? isn't that just killing off your market? why not just something non-toxic that looks like ur drug? better still, don't


It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"

Somebody take away my soapbox please..........
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2006, 10:21:17 PM »
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It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"

Somebody take away my soapbox please..........


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I've been told that about rolling backy before, roll ups really upset my chest whereas readymade fags don't. Go figure!
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« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2006, 02:37:23 AM »
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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2006, 03:08:39 AM »
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?


No - it seems like we hang the victims of their crimes whilst giving the criminals lots of money and an apology for infringing their human rights or upsetting their feelings


yeah well hanging isn't the only way of punishing criminals. i was asking if hanging was still considered humane in england, not whether you have a legal system or not.

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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2006, 07:33:30 AM »
Well the answer is  that we do not have capital punishment and have not done so since it was abolished in or around 1964. Law and order is a touchy subject here hence Jonathan's tounge in cheek answer which does, nevertheless, represent the views of a large proportion of the population.
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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2006, 09:14:28 AM »
Yeah, capital punishment no longer goes on here. Unfortunately Johnathan does have a point. I remember a situation not too long ago where a burglar was caught in the act and scrambled onto the roof of a house and stayed up there. He said his human rights were being infringed because he was hungry and couldn't get food so they sent him up a KFC bucket and a bottle of Pepsi. Ridiculous.

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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2006, 10:44:30 AM »
Yes - I do sound a bit like a Daily Mail reader there (UK tabloid newspaper with a slight right wing bias)

But I feel like the current punishment system does not deter criminals.
Teenage troublemakers who make peoples lives a misery might get an ASBO - a bit like a restraining order but seen as a badge of honour amongst teenage tearaways.

We recently had a situation where junkie prisoners who were forced to go "cold turkey" to detox sued the prison service and got paid heaps of money.

I think that the prison did these wasters a favour getting them off that shite, and maybe  ultimately saved their lives longterm - even if it was a rather harsh way to detox.

Ok - I'm off to make my soapbox into a strat.......
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2006, 12:38:13 PM »
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do you guys still hang criminals over in england?


No - it seems like we hang the victims of their crimes whilst giving the criminals lots of money and an apology for infringing their human rights or upsetting their feelings


Same here in Holland and maybe worse. I won't go into details but sometimes these things really upset me.

Crimanals in jail have a better life than senior citizens in retirement homes. :evil:
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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2006, 02:33:02 PM »
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I wouldn't single out the D*ily M*il, -they are all self righteous hypocritical so called guardians of the nations morals.


that's true... :drink:

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It's a bit like cigarettes....it's not the tobacco that is the worst thing for you. It is all the tar , benzine, arsenic, salt peta and other cr@p that is in there.
"Roll your own" cigarettes are a miilion times less harmful - ask Johnny Mac about this -he seems to know the " science bit"

Somebody take away my soapbox please..........


I dunno, isn't nicotine pretty bad for you? i realise there's other guff in there, but the crux of the matter is that nicotine is addictive, so once you start on it you're near enough screwed...

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Yes - I do sound a bit like a Daily Mail reader there (UK tabloid newspaper with a slight right wing bias)

But I feel like the current punishment system does not deter criminals.
Teenage troublemakers who make peoples lives a misery might get an ASBO - a bit like a restraining order but seen as a badge of honour amongst teenage tearaways.

We recently had a situation where junkie prisoners who were forced to go "cold turkey" to detox sued the prison service and got paid heaps of money.

I think that the prison did these wasters a favour getting them off that shitee, and maybe  ultimately saved their lives longterm - even if it was a rather harsh way to detox.

Ok - I'm off to make my soapbox into a strat.......


slight right wing? compared to hitler, maybe... (i jest, i jest)

I dunno. the problem with deterrence is, there is no deterrent for some people. I know for a fact that if I were threatened with three weeks of prison, even for murder, I wouldn't do it (apart from moral reasons, assuming deterrence is the only reason not to do it).

Not to mention that most guys who commit a crime do so in the belief that they won't be caught.

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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2006, 03:08:54 PM »
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Yes - I do sound a bit like a Daily Mail reader there (UK tabloid newspaper with a slight right wing bias)


Slight right wing bias !!!  "Choke Splutter Cough" !!!!! There the most racist right wing bunch of looneys........Slightly to the right of Attila The Hun !! maybe. LOL  :lol:

Dont agree with capital punishment even though it pains me to say it. Agree about the youth crime or persistant low level youth crime issue. Have been effected by it myself so i no how bad it can get  :roll:

The problem is that here in London we are so Dangerously overcrowded that everybodys living ontop of each other almost cheek to jowl, its a recipe for disaster & trouble.

As for crime in general imho we dont seem to be locking up violent & dangerous criminals but locking up people for not paying parking fines etc. The sad truth is prison is there to lock up the poor so to keep them from revolting against the rich & priverlaged. Violent criminals tend to kill the less well off so its ok for them to be released onto the streets.......Bloody crazy isn`t it.

Gets down off soap box & hands it over to Johnathon & mr 38th  :P

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