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noodleplugerine

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« on: January 21, 2007, 11:12:46 PM »
Firstly, I must apologise for this, since this is my first thread on the forums which I've actually looked around on for a while.

After reading these forums I've realised there are some extremely knowledgeable guitarists who I reckon could help me out quite a bit, because frankly, I'm quite stuck.

I'm looking to buy a new electric designed primarily for playing metal, be it shredding, or thrashing. My budget's around £700, I need a fast neck, strong pickups, preferably a neck thru or set neck construction, and the other sorts of features you would expect.

I've come to a shortlist of these guitars:

ESP LTD H-1000:
http://www.guitarsatbmusic.com.au/esp/guitars/ltddlx/hires/h1000blk.jpg

Set neck construction
3-piece maple neck w/rosewood fingerboard
Mahogany body
EMG 81/85 active pickups
TonePros locking bridge w/string-thru-body

Schecter C-1 Hellraiser:
http://media.schecterguitars.com/imgs/hr_c1_hell_bch.jpg

Set neck construction
3-pc. Mahogany/Rosewood
Mahogany, Quilted Maple Top
EMG active 81 / 85
TonePros TOM w/ thru-body



I know what you're gunna say.... Featurewise they're identical guitars. They can both be bought with Floyd Roses's instead of the tonespro (although haven't been able to find the MH-1000 which is the ESP with an OFR anywhere...), but I've never had a proper trem arm, so I doubt I would use it much, and would most likely find it a hastle. So my questions are:

1. Do you have any other suggestions for guitars similar or better than these in the same price range?

2. Can you think of any reasons to get one above the other?

3. Should I totally give up and look for something totally different?

Also, buying from the US (which I would with the ESP) isn't a problem for me, so if that influences the budget then great.

I also plan on buying a Genz Benz El Diablo head soon after this, can anyone think of a reason not to?
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2007, 11:41:54 PM »
a major reason not to buy the el-diablo would be if you don't like it, lol. I liked it when I tried it out, but I've heard some people struggle to get a good lead tone from it... that might be a concern if you want to do a lot of shred.

mainly as far as the amps go, you want to try out everything in a similar price range to the ED. Engl, Framus, Soldano, Cornford, Diezel, Mesa, splawn (probably hard to try out, lol), Koch, etc., etc., just to make sure which amp is the one for you.

Ditto the guitars. You want to try everything you can get your hands on. I wouldn't be too keen on spending £700 on a Korean guitar myself, to be honest (as those LTD and Schecters are). They tend to have worse quality control, use worse components, use lower quality timbers etc., etc. Some of the higher-up Korean ones have a tendency to throw Seymour Duncans at the guitar to persuade you that you're getting a pro guitar, and pay little heed to the quality of the timbers and hardware, which play, IMO, a much bigger part- if you can solder, poor pickups are one of the easiest fixes you can do. It's much harder to correct dead-sounding wood, or poor hardware if all the decent hardware isn't a direct retrofit (as it frequently isn't).

You also need to really decide if there's a type of wood you prefer, a type of construction, whether or not you want a locking trem, etc., etc.

I didn't really give you any answers there, to be honest. But I think you need to give us a bit more info, or decide yourself what you want, a little more first...

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 12:03:14 AM »
Well, mahogany is allways a safe bet on the guitars I've played, but I've heard that Alder and walnut also give good tones for metal (although I can't remember ever playing a walnut guitar O.o).

The construction should be Neck thru, but this allways seems to be a major boost to prices.

I think I've decided against trems altogether, since I never use them now, and expect that even if I got one, I would refrain from using them, and end up with a big mechanical mess that I would regret.

I mainly shred, so a fast neck is definetly needed.

Shape-wise I mainly prefer super strats, however I have been inclined to like various SG style shaped, but as I shred, some sort of dual cutaway is definetly needed.

I'm not too fussy on a guitar's looks, more on if it plays nicely - That being said, a lime green Jem with a pink scratchplate would be extremely hard to hand over money for.
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2007, 12:04:41 AM »
LTD MH400 or MH400NT (depending on if you want the trem or not). Killer looks, Neck thru fast maple neck with mahogany wings and a figured maple top, either a floyd or Tonepros with an Earvana nut, EMGs, £700-£750. Good for shred, good for riffing.
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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2007, 12:34:17 AM »
I'd seriously consider an ibanez rga121. It is bolt-on, and is quite bright (no brighter than an alder guitar, though, and you haven't discounted them), mahogany body, maple neck, rosewood fretboard, thick maple top. Super-wizard neck.

You can get one for just over £500, I think. You'd have money to spare for BKP's. Comes with a case.

That's what I'd do. it's made in Japan too.

Some of the Japanese Jacksons are quite nice too- the SL3 (trem, though), and slsmg (maybe discontinued, I'm not too sure, sambo got one recently) would also be worth a look. Doesn't come with a case, unfortunately. Around £600-£650 (though I think my local shop has good prices, lol).

Framus guitars look pretty nice too. I've never been able to try them, but the specs etc. look good. www.framus.de

I'm afraid you're going to get another "try everything you can" post, lol. But at least those are some pointers.

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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2007, 01:13:13 AM »
Tried an SL3 earlier today infact, was less than impressed, the sound was soggy which from Seymours I found suprising and the Neck although a nice shape, had an awful plasticy finnish, not like normal gloss. Don't think Jackson have made a good guitar in a while...

I agree that I'd have to look around, but in London, although there's a huge selection of guitars, it's suprisingly hard to find guitars which anybody would actually want.

Went into soundcontrol on Oxford Street today, and no joke, the Schecter section had a whole wall of £180 Omens in all different colours. The best Schecter was a £300 "metal" guitar with duncan designed pickups -.-
Best thing though was the immense stock of 2 ibanez, both under £300 in one of London's biggest music shops....

That Ibanez looks interesting, the main turn down is the pickups obviously, but as you said, I'd have money left for some BKPs, which would you recommend, some warpigs? Has anyone tried that Gibraltar bridge?

The MH400 is shocking, £150 cheaper than the H-1000 above, and the only difference is the bridge and the fancy abalone inlays all over the place :S

Could get the MH400 for about £400 if I got a mate from the states to bring it over aswell.
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 01:21:20 AM »
^ the gibraltar bridge is very nice. Very comfy under the palm. Now, you'd need to try it head to head with the same guitar with a different bridge to see how well it compared to other bridges in terms of sustain, lol, but in terms of comfort, it's great. EDIT: i think it's designed to appeal to those who like the feel of locking trems, though. As I'm used to them...

Seymours aren't amazing, which virtually anyone here will tell you, lol (in relation to the "soggy" sound of the sl3).

Don't know about specific BKP's, I haven't tried enough (I think I've tried one, and the shop didn't know which model it was  :lol: ). I heard enough to know it was good, though (as I purposely tried a Duncan-loaded guitar next to it).

Best bet if you want pickup recommendations is to pm or email tim, or make a thread in the pickups section. But you'd need to decide on the guitar first, lol.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 01:38:35 AM »
The Ibanez could be a bit risky then, since I'm in no way an expert of pickups... The woods on it are fantastic, but I'm not really prepared for a pick n mix job.

At this point would rather buy something with half decent pickups on them, and the EMG 81s I tried 2 days ago were sick. Alot of 'metal' guitars nowadays have 81 sets or 81/85, and I'm more than happy to live with them.
If I feel particularly abmitious and rich at a later point I'll put some BKPs on whatever I do get.

Comfortable bridges are good, but if you say it's for people who like locking trems, then I don't know if I'll like it... Depends on what you mean by that. The thing I found odd about Locking trems comfort-wise is the flatness of where your palm sits, means you have to be alot lighter, and it's not as raised as the Stoptail I'm used to on my SG.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2007, 01:40:14 AM »
^ fair enough.

I'd prefer BKP myself, as that way I can get exactly what I want. But I understand your concern- at least with the EMG's you've tried them and know you like them.

I guess that slsmg, if they still make 'em, is worth a shot.

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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2007, 01:48:13 AM »
About what you said before on the amps:

I've heard to a few demos of the El Diablo, and it sounds great, bucketfulls on gain, which I absolutely love.

About the amps you listed: Diezel and Mesa are a wee bit out of my price range, and all I've got is a soul to sell at the moment, and even that wouldn't fetch much more than a fiver :P

Engl are quite expensive aswell, right? Only heard good things about them though. Cornford, Framus, Koch and Splawn, all seem rather ambiguous to me, would need to sit down and try one out, but due to the fact I've never heard of Splawn or ED that could be difficult.... Again my budget's not alot more than £700-800 on a new amp, and I'd need a while to save to get enough for that.

The El Diablo fits that nicely, has had great reviews and I've heard Mr Genzler sends out free tubes xD
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 06:32:25 AM »
the el diablo is a really good amp but it hissed a lot, even when quite. it just got worse as you turned up the volume but after a certain point you couldnt hear it over the noise. the el diablo goes great with the gflex 2x12 cab.

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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2007, 11:03:33 AM »
How about a BC Rich from the NJ series?

Reasonably priced, neck-thru, nice wood and color options.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2007, 11:51:44 AM »
Don't buy an LTD, they are too overpriced for what they are.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2007, 12:54:30 PM »
How about, an old Ibanez RG550? :)
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2007, 03:01:26 PM »
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Don't buy an LTD, they are too overpriced for what they are.

 What? A well built giggable guitar with quailty electronics and decent woods?
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