Author Topic: Some help in buying a Metal Guitar (Read 24957 times)

MDV · « **Reply #45 on:** January 22, 2007, 11:22:14 PM »

Ha!

Ner ner ne ne ner ;)

dave_mc · « **Reply #46 on:** January 22, 2007, 11:23:15 PM »

:lol:

Dakine · « **Reply #47 on:** January 22, 2007, 11:24:50 PM »

Dave,
just patience wearing thin. I never jump upon unless justified.

Nothing to do with CJ but there are ALOT of PLANKS on this forum right now (summit to do with HC problems? who knows) and I only like planks when shaped and made into instruments, not the walking kind ;)

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #48 on:** January 22, 2007, 11:27:27 PM »

Dakine: Yeah, but it's still a-whole-nother continent, if I saw a 2k custom for 700 I'd definetly look at it. :P

Quote from: MDV

Those are just names. What grade wood?

What a wood is called is only an indicator, really. Theres A LOT of variation within the same specis. Really, huge amounts: different forests, different countries, different trees and different PARTS of ONE tree will give you massive variations in wood as far as grain density and consistency go. Thats whats really important in a tone wood, when all's said and done, and the species is in second place.

Similarly with set necks, glue dampens transmission of vibration, so the contact has to be pretty much wood:wood with just a bit of glue in there or you lose tone and sustain. You cant see that, you have to listen for it. Its very easy to make a CHEAP (operative word here, guitar companies are in business people! Nothing wrong with that, you just have to get a bit wise to how it works) and cr@ppy join thats clumsily machined with masses of glue in there.

Thru is more consistent: what happens there is you lose the tone of the wings, which is less important.

Trust your eyes and ears.

Ahhhh! So much to learn!

I'd love a neck thru but they just seem to add so much to the price :(

Dave:

Haha! No wonder I hadn't heard of it xD

But yeah, not only judging on sound clips, a mate of mine went up north to try one out, he's into the same sort of stuff as I am and dedicated himself into saving for one :P

I've kinda had the words "GENZ BENZ EL DIABLO" subliminally pummeled into my ears for the last few weeks.

I'll definetly try some Engls since there a load easier to find then!

So at the moment, I have to look at some more Ibanez RGs, SZs, Deans, and Mavericks?

Any of those makes in particular? Only Deans I've seen are Dimebags.

Edit: About the wood thing, I knew they had different grades, but I thought that wasn't as big an effect as the woods themselves, and that the woods each have their own individual tone and therefore that's why they were picked. And then the grade of wood only effected the character of the tone. I've clearly been proven totally wrong xD

I wasn't thinking - Oh well it's mahogany so it has to be good, I was thinking oh well it's mahogany so it'll have a deep sound and a lush tone making it good for metal so it has to be good.

dave_mc · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2007, 11:39:23 PM »

^ yeah, that's why it's best to try them in the shop. Even the same grade of wood can sound different...

the ED is nice, don't get me wrong. It's just it's not the only contender. Again, you need to try them if at all possible, lol.

^ ^ nick: :drink:

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #50 on:** February 02, 2007, 05:34:08 PM »

Update:

Just placed an order on an ESP Viper Standard in Camo from the US - Turns out that a mate of mine is going to chicago on the 23rd... And guess what? I have a mate that lives in chicago :D

The guitar's 3 months old, and is in excellent condition except for a chip on the treble cutaway (seen 11 pictures and haven't been able to see the chip - so either the shopkeeper's lying or the chip is too small for me to care).

Was able to try a viper a few days ago and loved it - couldn't resist this offer.

UK retail is about £1500 - Bought this with its hardcase for £410.

Go me :>

samoth2 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 02, 2007, 08:15:46 PM »

Sounds like a great deal :)

broken cord · « **Reply #52 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:15:04 PM »

If you're aiming to swap out the pup's and plan on using your purchase as a gigging guitar why not buy used. I have found several good deals used. The only guitar I had issues with was the Gibson SG that I put the WP and MQ in. I re-finished it myself, (a project I wouldn't recommend to the faint of heart) after I BK'd it I now have a killer SG; the paint job is passable but the sound is huge.

I found a USA Dean Hardtail on fleabay and secured it for under $1000.00 US. The guitar was as new not a mark on it and it resonates unbelievable unplugged; probably better than anything else I've ever had the opportunity to play long enough to leave a lasting impression. I also found a Gibson CS346 used in a guitar shop in the Southern USA somewhere, it was listed as a CS336, but it is a CS346 and it is a keeper, Gibson makes a Paul Jackson Jr. signature model of the CS346 but mine pre-dates the sig model, and I paid less than half the new price.

My point here is used can be good, at least it has been for me. It is definitely buyers beware, and it is best to check references and if it seems too good to be true it usually is.

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #53 on:** February 03, 2007, 09:51:43 AM »

The Viper is used, didn't make that clear enough, but it's only 3 months old.

dave_mc · « **Reply #54 on:** February 03, 2007, 04:52:13 PM »

^ that sounds like a great deal, then, especially to someone this side of the pond.

:drink:

noodleplugerine · « **Reply #55 on:** February 26, 2007, 08:39:35 PM »

Sorry for the bump:

My german guy just got back from the States clutching my new guitar. He took some photos to show me the works :p

Options now are to either wait for the 15th when he's coming to the UK (In Germany atm), or pay the extra and get him to mail it here.

I think I know which I'm doing ;)

The only damage is the chip on the treble horn which is larger than it looks in the original photos, but I really don't mind; £400 for a guitar retailing at £1400 here is a steal either way, and since that chip has saved me £1000, it's my fave ever chip xD

PS: While he was there he also bought a Strat, photos below, anybody have a clue wtf it is? It must be a signature guitar due to the signature on the headstock, but does anybody know whose?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/01310005.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/noodleplugerine/01310004.jpg

headtheball · « **Reply #56 on:** February 26, 2007, 09:43:38 PM »

Thon's a fender Jeff Beck Strat, boss. (The Old Model with the big, fat neck!!)

Well done that lad.

Toms' anominous · « **Reply #57 on:** February 27, 2007, 07:03:11 AM »

that vipers nice i would of stuck with a lump of nice quality wodd and go make my own though 8)

metal_god · « **Reply #58 on:** February 27, 2007, 12:44:32 PM »

dude that thing is awesome, you should import me one for that price

BloodMountain · « **Reply #59 on:** February 27, 2007, 06:02:34 PM »

holy shite dude!!!! that guitar kicks!!!

congrats!!!

how does it play?