Author Topic: Bareknuckle for old-school headbanging (Read 10733 times)

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2007, 04:09:30 PM »

Quote from: TwilightOdyssey

I get you, Tony. I'm not trying to kick up dust. I've just noticed a trend on this forum in particular in which people pass comment on pickups they've never tried, based off of an email or PM. It's not the same thing, in my opinion, by a long shot.

There is also a misconception that Tim is personally winding the pickups he recommends. This is a business, and while I'm sure Tim winds his fair share of pups, a lot of the actual work is put onto a work order and made by someone else interpreting what Tim has written down.

I've never seen a penchant as strong as the one on this forum to disregard the experience of players. There's little point in someone like myeslf, antag, PhilKing, 38thBeatle, JohnnyMac, and others to even bother passing along our experience if it's always superceded by Just ask Tim, he'll set you right.

I know what your saying here and to an extent i agree that people with the pickups know what it's about. However, if like most people you only have 1 or two amps and stick to the same sound then the pickup won't sound the same as it does in your setup so sometimes it would be better to ask Tim the person who came up with the pickup and who has tested it in various guitars and amps.
Not having a go here just saying what i think!

TwilightOdyssey · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2007, 04:55:37 PM »

^ I agree 100%. However, in all honesty, I think I have access to more amps than might be generally known! Just because I talk about one in particular does not mean I've not used others.

I think it's possible to have an intelligent conversation where people have varying opinions without it turning into a slag fest.

I think I've said everything else clearly enuff.

Crazy_Joe · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:02:15 PM »

Yeah i think people get the wrong idea sometimes and tend to forget it's just a pickup discussion at the end of the day.

suckerpunch · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:42:52 PM »

what is this, some kind of pissing contest. screw it, I'll just throw in an EMG 81.

JUST KIDDING!!!!!!! :lol:

looks like next payday I'll be ordering a Holy Diver, Painkiller, and Cold Sweat and let my ears decide which I like best.

thanks for the great input!

Philly Q · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2007, 05:50:44 PM »

Quote from: suckerpunch

looks like next payday I'll be ordering a Holy Diver, Painkiller, and Cold Sweat and let my ears decide which I like best.

You must be made of money, as my Gran used to say.

Will you keep all three, or sell the silver and bronze medallists?

suckerpunch · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2007, 06:09:41 PM »

Quote from: Philly Q

You must be made of money, as my Gran used to say.

Will you keep all three, or sell the silver and bronze medallists?

HAH!! I wish. no it just means that I'll be surviving on tap water, romen noodles, and p & j samwiches for awhile :( :D I'll definitely keep the remaining 2 pups for future axes.

PhilKing · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2007, 06:16:03 PM »

I held off on this thread because I usually let TO answer the metal questions, however in this case I just thought I should list the pickups and amps that our opinions are based on:

Pickups/guitars
53 Les Paul with Black Dogs
86 Goldtop with Cold Sweat/Pain killer
Custom Les Paul with PAF rewind and Riff Raff
67 335 with Stormy Monday set (AII)
79 Hamer Sunburst with Abraxas set
Zemaitis Clone with Emerald/Mule
Richwood Explorer with Warpig/MQ
PRS Artist with VHII set
PRS Standard with Rebel Yell set
PRS EG4 with Crawler/2xP90
Warmoth PRS clone with Miracle Man set
Super Strat with Holy Diver/2xTrilogy Suite
Ibanez with Nailbomb/Irish Tour/Cold Sweat
Double cut LP Junior with Pig-90
60 LP Standard with BK P-90 Rewind
Custom set neck with MQ/Slowhand/Mini-Mule
57 Strat with Apache Set
custom hollow strat with Irish Tour set
60 Strat with BK rewind and 2 original pickups
57 Tele with Brown Sugar and Slowhand
59 Esquire with Piledriver
Custom Strat with Cold Sweat
Kamakazie with Miracle Man
Strat with VHII/Irish Tour
Wayne with Cold Sweat/Trilogy Suite
Agile LP with Riff Raff/Stormy Monday (AIV)
66 P-Bass with BK P-bass pickup

Then there are lots of original 50's.60's and 70's guitars with the original pickups and also many after market original replacement pickups including SD, DiMarzio, Tom Holmes, Bill Lawrence, EMG, Mighty Mite, Lace and others who disappeared because the pickups were bad (Ultrasonic come to mind!)

Amps
Marshall Silver Jubilee
Fender Blackface Princeton Reverb
Fender Princeton II
Splawn Quickrod
Laney 30 watt
Diezel VH4 & Herbert
Roccaforte custom 80
Matamp Mini Mat, GT1
Several custom made McIntyre amps (Studio 205/Bluesmaker/Prince o'Wails, SP3)
Lexicon Signature 284
Victoria Bassman
Comet (Trainwreck)
Cornford 50 & 100
VHT Pitbull
Carr Slant 6

Also VG88 & Johnson J-Station modelling amps.

I think this might just constitute more than one or two amps and sticking to one sound. It might also explain why we do come up with some ideas on sounds and also the best pickup combinations.

I have tried several of the pickups in different guitars before finding the one that worked best for them.

Tim will definately steer you right if you ask him, but don't think that other people haven't tried a lot of options before they answer.

As I mentioned at the start, I don't normally answer anything on metal because TO knows so much more about it than me (Classic Rock and Blues are more of my forte), but I think that it is good to know that when several of the older regulars make a posting, they are basing their opinion on a wealth of knowledge and not just hearsay.

lulusg · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2007, 06:47:12 PM »

Well that would certainly beat on my book the usual " well I had a friend ..... who knew somebody , and he heard once........"

Tol · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2007, 11:29:05 PM »

Whatever happened to the Nailbomb talk on this forum? I just got one recently and it is excellent. Clean through metal no problem.

DeanS · « **Reply #24 on:** February 13, 2007, 09:24:43 AM »

Quote from: PhilKing

I held off on this thread because I usually let TO answer the metal questions, however in this case I just thought I should list the pickups and amps that our opinions are based on:

Pickups/guitars
53 Les Paul with Black Dogs
86 Goldtop with Cold Sweat/Pain killer
Custom Les Paul with PAF rewind and Riff Raff
67 335 with Stormy Monday set (AII)
79 Hamer Sunburst with Abraxas set
Zemaitis Clone with Emerald/Mule
Richwood Explorer with Warpig/MQ
PRS Artist with VHII set
PRS Standard with Rebel Yell set
PRS EG4 with Crawler/2xP90
Warmoth PRS clone with Miracle Man set
Super Strat with Holy Diver/2xTrilogy Suite
Ibanez with Nailbomb/Irish Tour/Cold Sweat
Double cut LP Junior with Pig-90
60 LP Standard with BK P-90 Rewind
Custom set neck with MQ/Slowhand/Mini-Mule
57 Strat with Apache Set
custom hollow strat with Irish Tour set
60 Strat with BK rewind and 2 original pickups
57 Tele with Brown Sugar and Slowhand
59 Esquire with Piledriver
Custom Strat with Cold Sweat
Kamakazie with Miracle Man
Strat with VHII/Irish Tour
Wayne with Cold Sweat/Trilogy Suite
Agile LP with Riff Raff/Stormy Monday (AIV)
66 P-Bass with BK P-bass pickup

Then there are lots of original 50's.60's and 70's guitars with the original pickups and also many after market original replacement pickups including SD, DiMarzio, Tom Holmes, Bill Lawrence, EMG, Mighty Mite, Lace and others who disappeared because the pickups were bad (Ultrasonic come to mind!)

Amps
Marshall Silver Jubilee
Fender Blackface Princeton Reverb
Fender Princeton II
Splawn Quickrod
Laney 30 watt
Diezel VH4 & Herbert
Roccaforte custom 80
Matamp Mini Mat, GT1
Several custom made McIntyre amps (Studio 205/Bluesmaker/Prince o'Wails, SP3)
Lexicon Signature 284
Victoria Bassman
Comet (Trainwreck)
Cornford 50 & 100
VHT Pitbull
Carr Slant 6

Also VG88 & Johnson J-Station modelling amps.

I think this might just constitute more than one or two amps and sticking to one sound. It might also explain why we do come up with some ideas on sounds and also the best pickup combinations.

I have tried several of the pickups in different guitars before finding the one that worked best for them.

Tim will definately steer you right if you ask him, but don't think that other people haven't tried a lot of options before they answer.

As I mentioned at the start, I don't normally answer anything on metal because TO knows so much more about it than me (Classic Rock and Blues are more of my forte), but I think that it is good to know that when several of the older regulars make a posting, they are basing their opinion on a wealth of knowledge and not just hearsay.

Now thats just showing off! :lol:

carlaz · « **Reply #25 on:** February 13, 2007, 10:35:28 AM »

Yeah, but it's very cool showing off. 8)

That's such a frighteningly awesome array of gear that I can't even get jealous! It's waaaaaaay beyond any league I could imagine. :D

I have confidence in TO and PhilKing's judgements at the level I have confidence in the BKP guys. They have done the research, they know the results!

PhilKing · « **Reply #26 on:** February 13, 2007, 12:34:57 PM »

Quote from: DeanS

Now thats just showing off! :lol:

It was really to make the point that when TO gives his opinion it is not based on one or two amps with one sound.

Quote from: carlaz

That's such a frighteningly awesome array of gear that I can't even get jealous! It's waaaaaaay beyond any league I could imagine. :D

It comes of 30 years of collecting and having never grown up, and probably also because I was living in the States for 25 of those years. I have been very lucky in that I also had a job that let me make enough to buy the guitars, and I was single for a lot of the time, so that helped too!

Some of the more exotic amps are in Ultrasound rehearsal studios in NYC, but since TO is in there at least 2 hours every week, I think we can say we have a lot of experience with them. I have taken in several guitars with him and we have tried a lot of the amps. It is really good because you get to compare the amps at all sorts of settings and without the music shop heros standing around!!!

38thBeatle · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2007, 12:56:35 PM »

Sounds like heaven to me Phil- what a great way to spend time, in a room with that gear.I would never want to leave. I have some mates with some lovely guitars and amps and I get to use their gear, they get to use mine and we compare notes-in more ways than one. Mrs 38th goes bananas sometimes -imagine if I were let loose with that little lot-she'd kill me.

Twinfan · « **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2007, 12:57:21 PM »

Something extra to add to this interesting thread. TO and Phil say some interesting things about comparing numerous BKPs and amps, and TO states that he "likes a brighter tone than Tim" and that people shouldn't just "ask Tim". I agree with this, but would go further.

What it's worth doing is listening to the opinion of EVERYONE and coming to your own conclusions. Yes, person X may never have played with a particular pickup, but they will have read about that model here on the forum, spoken to Tim, heard it a the LGS etc. Some opinions you disregard, some you take on board, then you decide what's best for you.

Consult far and wide, form your own opinion. That's my advice.

sgmypod · « **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2007, 12:58:46 PM »

yup thought I had been and tried or had a lot of gear...am just an amateur,
slightly jealous....but thinkin more along the lines...can I come round and have a play? *L*