Author Topic: Goodbye Vintage 30-Hello Greenback (Read 6254 times)

DeanS · « **on:** March 03, 2007, 02:33:33 PM »

I've never been too impressed with V30's (OK in a 4X12 for grindy stuff) and swapped the one out of my Cornford Harly for a Heritage (pre rola spec) greenback G12M 20 watter.

Wished I'd done it ages ago as the difference is night and day- lovely and warm with serious, serious crunch tones. Still breaking it in but I'll post some clips soon as.

steve · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2007, 03:29:24 PM »

Good stuff, i changed my V30 for a G12H and was much happier with the tone.Much warmer and less spikey!

hunter · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2007, 04:49:43 PM »

Would you say you have to turn the amp higher to get the same volume with the G25M than the V30?

DeanS · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2007, 05:03:05 PM »

Yes its noticeable-sensitivity is 4db lower than V30 and 2db lower than the standard G12M greeback, but for me this is a good thing on a recording amp-cranked tone at lower volume. The crunch tone just puts a huge smile on my face :P

dave_mc · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2007, 05:09:08 PM »

nice, duly noted!

:drink:

hunter · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2007, 05:24:36 PM »

Quote from: DeanS

Yes its noticeable-sensitivity is 4db lower than V30 and 2db lower than the standard G12M greeback, but for me this is a good thing on a recording amp-cranked tone at lower volume.

Exactly what I thought 8)

OD-Black_Fire · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2007, 05:56:18 PM »

Is the bass tighter or looser with the Greenbacks, compared to the V30's?

DeanS · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2007, 06:09:28 PM »

The bass (I've only installed it earlier toady so its first impressions) is looser in a kind of EVH brown sound type looseness- if you know what I mean. I always found the V30 to be harsh.

Apparently Celestion cloned the original 60's greenback right down to the type of glue used- an animal one, sorry vegetarians 8)

Adam.M · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2007, 08:31:36 PM »

You know, i love the sound of a distorted marshall through V30's.

But i've never been impressed with it's cleans...

Maybe it'd be a good idea to have two 2x12's, one for clean, one for lead...

*awaits wining lottery ticket*

shaman · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2007, 09:31:18 PM »

can you estimate how old that v30 was??I am about to swap my greenbacks out with 4 v30's from a mesa boogie cab-cel. supposedly has been using different paper as of late and certain v30's are reportedly harsh until about 30-40 hrs of being pushed

DeanS · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2007, 10:09:38 PM »

Shaman, its had lots of hours, had it from new in 2001.

I don't know how these Heritage G12m's compare with the chinese G12m's but they're seriously good- just can't get over how good they crunch!

As these are only rated at 20 watts I wouldn't consider using them in an 4X12 as a 1/2 stack with a 100 watter...........

shaman · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2007, 10:30:13 PM »

cool..thanks!I love the vintage greens I have in my 4/12 MArshall cab from 1974-perrrfect with the 50 watt marsh head...but, I have started running my boogie mark IV in stereo, and the greenies get a little flubby-dubby-gonna pull them , keeep them, and insert v30s for the added pwer capability..if i need the greenbacks, I can just swap out..thinking about running 2 greens and 2 v30's...hmmmmmm..man, this stuff can keep a man busy!!

Twinfan · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2007, 11:07:20 PM »

I use 100w heads, plus an overdrive in front, through a 2x12 or a 4x12. No way the Greenbacks are any use to me!!!

I have V30s in both my cabs and I love them. They do take some breaking in though, and I find they need a bit of time to "warm up" when you use them too. They always sound better after half an hour or so of playing, much like amps do.

Interesting comparison though - cheers for posting :D

greeny · « **Reply #13 on:** March 04, 2007, 11:37:00 AM »

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I've never been too impressed with V30's (OK in a 4X12 for grindy stuff) and swapped the one out of my Cornford Harly for a Heritage (pre rola spec) greenback G12M 20 watter.

I have a Cornford Carrera (with V30) and I don't find this at all. I find the amp quite warm overall. My guitar teacher has a Riviera, and a Marshall Blusbreaker and I find both very harsh compaired to the Cornford, (I'm not sure what speakers the Marshal and Rivera are using)

Additionally, I would not want to lose any of the clean headroom of the Carrerra with a less sensitive speaker. So as I use plenty of clean I would only consider changing to a speaker of the same sensitivity.

DeanS · « **Reply #14 on:** March 04, 2007, 12:37:35 PM »

I'm not recommending everyone changes out their V30's but I've always felt that the Harly lacked something and IMHO the crunch/breaking up tones (which is what I mostly play) of the Heritage greenback is in a different league compared to the V30, but as the Americans say 'your mileage may vary'................

When my sm57 is returned I'll post some clips.