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Philly Q

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« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2007, 10:12:30 PM »
And all's well that ends well!  :D

We'll be wanting pics when it's all fixed up, of course...
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« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2007, 10:18:44 PM »
Of course  ;)

You gotta see the back of the neck Phil - it swung the sale for me  :)

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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2007, 01:03:20 AM »
Glad things worked out for ya Bro!
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« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2007, 01:17:49 AM »
It's put me an an SG mood - I've been playing my Pete Townshend this evening!  :D
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« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2007, 01:02:18 PM »
I'm glad it worked out allright in the end.

If only the sales muppets had mentioned that only the boss could negociate, it would have made for a much better experience for everybody concerned.

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« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2007, 01:15:57 PM »
Exactly.  I've mentioned that to the boss as "feedback" and he was genuinely apologetic for the hassle I had.

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« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2007, 12:39:23 PM »
I would just like to point out that flamed wood in necks on factory made guitars is not always a desirable thing.  In this case i would have been more cautious because:

. . . mahogany is a softer wood than most other neck woods used in guitars (unless you count some of the old cheapo archtops with poplar necks). . .

. . . and flamed wood is structurally weaker than straight grained wood.

. . . SG's have weaker neck/body joins than most guitars because most of the neck is free of the body and the tenon is relatively short

. . . Gibson generally make there necks out of one peice of wood

. . . i am fairly sure gibson will not have added any extra reinforcement to help stabilise the figured neck

Figured (flamed/quilted/birdseye/spalted) woods are great for adding visual interest to a guitar but there are certain areas where a little bit more thought is needed.  

I am not saying flamed wood cannot be used in necks - i use it myself all the time.  But if using figured woods i generally make a laminated neck with 3 or more peices and i always include a two way truss rod and dual carbon fibre reinforcement bars on my guitars anyway.  Although i will say the lengths i go to are probaby overkill - which suggest i worry about this issue a bit too much :wink:


I am sure your SG will be fine if well looked after, but i would expect the neck to be a little more flexible than usual so it may need more regular truss rod tweaks because of this.  I would also avoid heavy gauge strings.

It sounds like you got a good deal and i am not trying to shite on that - i just worry when i hear people touting figured necks as a feature when all it really means is that good stock of  quarter sawn, straight grained neck woods is getting harder to find - especially when a factory focuses on one endangered species a little too mcuh.  Just to put it in perspective there has been a recent ban on importing (some speices of) mahogany into the EU

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« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2007, 05:22:43 PM »
Thanks Wez, err I think?  ;)

I'll be using 10s and the guitar will not be my regular gigger so I think it'l be OK.  Interesting what you say about the reduced stability of flamed woods though...

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« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2007, 06:13:38 PM »
Just to illustrate my point with flamed wood here is a very quick and rough sketch of two planks of wood.



On the top plank the grain runs nicely through the whole length of the plank.  In reality this does not allways occur and there is usually some curve or runout in the grain  because trees twist as they grow.  but it is what we should aim for with neck wood

the plank on the bottom shows a flamed piece.  Flamed wood has wavy grain, i didnt bother to draw it all but you can see that not all the grain stays within the borders of plank.  This means there will be less grain running the whole length of the neck and more potential weakspots/flexability.  

On the peice i drew most of the grain would still be running the length of the neck and it would probably work fine but would not be as stiff as the top peice - like yours i assume.  

On more figured woods (imagine a PRS style quilt)  the grain would almost be zig-zagging down the whole length  of the board and it would have almost no longitudinal strength  because there would be no grain that ran the whole length of the plank, it would be be completely unsuitable for a neck.

Its a bit of a simplified explanation  but i just wanted to try and explain something about wood choice when making necks.  Obviously it all depends on the actual peice of wood because they are all different

I remember reading a little story about our facination with figured wood instruments a few years back... not sure how true it is but here goes.

Our facination wiith flamed maple on instruments goes back to desirable  violins by people like stradavarius.  People started to associate the wood with the fantastic tones these instruments are famous for.  They start to believe that these great violin makers where using very expensive figured maple for their violins, probably sawn by virgins on a full moon or something.  Basically flamed maple became a sign of a quality instrument

The truth . . . violin makers used the wood they could get . . . the stradavarius story i heard suggested that he used maple from broken boat oars that had washed up on shore that the turkish had sold to the armenians (or the other way round).  Due to the rivalry between the countries the turks would always try and sell the armenians the lower quality oars . . . in other words the flamed ones . . . they snapped and got washed up on shore. . . those damn economical luthiers started picking up the scr@ps to make instruments from.  

Thats probably more than anyone needed to know about flamed wood so i will leave it there . . .

 . . . and nobody get me started on swamp ash!!!  I pay so bloody much for the stuff and only 30 years ago most wood yards would sell it cheap because its considered inferier to normal ash for most other things!!!

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« Reply #54 on: April 24, 2007, 07:06:13 PM »
Well the SG has arrived today  :D






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« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2007, 07:23:40 PM »
Stonking!  :D

Did you take a pic of that pesky nut?
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« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2007, 07:28:50 PM »
I've just got the ones Peter Cooks sent me.  It's actually not as bad as I'd remembered, which is nice  :)  Once I've worn these strings out I'll get it touched up and a full setup done...






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« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2007, 08:24:12 PM »
Very nice ;)
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« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2007, 08:36:43 PM »
looks sexy!

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« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2007, 08:39:33 PM »
Beautiful guitar bro!
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