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paulburns1984

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« on: May 13, 2007, 06:31:30 PM »
Hi all, I've got any Epi VJ combo and recently bought an EQ for it. I love the quality of my RYs but their versatility is posing a headscratcher.

The neck pup is very bassy but the bridge pup is very trebly - so hence when I find a nice EQ setting for say the bridge pup - I switch to the neck and it sound awful (well not awful but ya know what I mean)! Any ideas about how to combat this?

My guitar btw is a Schecter C-1+.

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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2007, 09:41:36 PM »
you've got a common problem there.  I always EQ the bridge pickup to taste then play around with the height of the neck pickup.  I favour brighter/low output neck pickups (around 7.5k).  

an easy solution to your problem would be to increase the value of the neck humbucker volume pot - this will load the pickup less and make it appear brighter.  1M is a good place to start since you'll already have a 500k pot in there now.

if the pickups share the same volume pot then this suggestion obviously won't work.  maybe EQ the neck humbucker to taste then use the tone for the bridge pickup to roll off some top end.



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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2007, 12:10:48 AM »
well i have vol pots for each pups seperatly and also a tone knob in general - that one can be tapped as well

I wouldn't know where to start with changing the pots any advice?

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2007, 03:44:50 PM »
Dont want to sound like an arse but there are alot of threads where people say BKP are a tad on the bright side. I've always thought the same thing, having owned 3 different sets of BKP - they sound great but they are fairly bright, but defined.

Is the brightness an achiles heel in BKP?

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2007, 03:47:06 PM »
^I dont find the Trilogy that bright (especially in the neck position), and the Mules dont seem overly bright in my LP (then again, my LP has alder cap as opposed to maple so its not as bright as a "normal" LP)..

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2007, 04:50:29 PM »
Quote from: everton_fc
Is the brightness an achiles heel in BKP?

I'm not sure it's "brightness" so much as "openness" - there's a bit more complexity at all frequencies, more like a single-coil (assuming we're talking humbuckers).  I think that's due to (a) scatter-winding (b) slightly offset windings betwen the coils, so they "hear" different frequencies.

Personally I like some brightness from bridge humbuckers anyway - so long as they're not thin or screechy.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2007, 05:00:50 PM »
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The neck pup is very bassy but the bridge pup is very trebly - so hence when I find a nice EQ setting for say the bridge pup - I switch to the neck and it sound awful (well not awful but ya know what I mean)! Any ideas about how to combat this?


I've also had a similar problem and just adjusted the pickup heights until I got the tones I wanted which seemed to work
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2007, 08:48:56 PM »
cheers tom, so which pup's height did you decide to change? or did you do both? If I had to pick one I think I'd prefer to alter the neck.

How do i get started with this? My guitar's going in for a set up tomorrow and the next set up after that is the pup height change.

How do you change it? Is it 'closer to the strings - gives more treble' or is there a general rule like that?

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2007, 09:37:29 PM »
I started by getting the bridge pickup where I liked it and then its just trial and error trying to find a height for the neck pickup that balances with the bridge and sounds as you want it to.
I find that the closer to the strings the pickup is the brighter and punchier the tone is, whereas having the pickup further away from the strings gives a more mellow tone.
I hope this helps
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2007, 11:46:23 PM »
Yeah really helps - much appreciated Tom!

I may be back on here soon for tips when it all goes wrong! lol

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2007, 04:50:36 PM »
Quote from: everton_fc
Dont want to sound like an arse but there are alot of threads where people say BKP are a tad on the bright side. I've always thought the same thing, having owned 3 different sets of BKP - they sound great but they are fairly bright, but defined.

Is the brightness an achiles heel in BKP?


Only if you dont like bright pickups!

Its not a flaw, its a feature!

It kind of stands out because most humuckers are perfect humbuckers: equal number of winds on both coils, and most are machine wound so the sound lacks depth and comlexity, which includes the highs, of course.

I think all BKs have an offset, as philly says. This is where one coil is overwound. Its the number of turns that matters for hum cancelling, so if they arent equal then any turns left over on one coil will act as single coil turns. It takes rather a lot of offset to allow hum to set in, and somewhere in between there and no offset you get a more open, brighter tone by adding a tinge of SC to a HB.

Being a primarily metal player I want a heavy low end with a clear high end. BKP design allows a buttload of lows to exist in the same pickup as a clear and articulate high. Perhaps one mans clear is anothers bright, but I love it: they have a tremendous breadth of frequency response, lows and highs. I think people just arent used to that, from hearing stock, dumbcans and dumbarseios all the time.

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2007, 12:29:45 PM »
has anyone got any links to any guides on how to adjust pickup height - want to read up on it before I just go messing about with them.

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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2007, 06:11:03 PM »
I found this website quite helpfull when I was doing it: http://ratcliffe.co.za/articles/pickupheight.shtml  :)
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