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Ted

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« on: July 19, 2007, 01:06:00 PM »
I am seriously considering starting buying parts bit by bit from Warmoth and building my own lovely SG. At the moment I'm bordering on the obsessed.

Has anyone here tried assembling a guitar from Warmoth?

I am paricularly keen to finish the guitar body myself and want to do a nice natural oiled finish much like this simply stunning example from Feline's Explorer made for Tim in this thread.

http://www.bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1282

How hard is wood finishing and does anyone have any tips, potenial hazards with oils, fumes etc.  

For the neck, I would get the guys at Warmoth to finish.

As Wezv mentioned in a previous thread, the current exchange rate seems too good to be true for buying in the US.

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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 01:11:51 PM »
An oil finish is a great idea for a project like this and is much easier to do at home

I use danish oil and briwax for my oil finishes and they can both found easily in the UK.

I always recommend this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Make-Your-Own-Electric-Guitar/dp/0953104907/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-8762189-0976729?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184846982&sr=8-1


It has information on puting guitars together from parts, set up and wiring as well as having a good chapter where he builds a 8 string bass that gets an oil fnish and he descibes a really good technique for doing it

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 01:12:43 PM »
oh, if doing an oiled finish on teh body do it on the neck as well - feels great!!!!!

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 01:19:14 PM »
Wez cheers for the tip, book is on its way!

Are there any good web resources for using Danish Oil + Briwax?

Also in terms of woods i'm gonna go for either Mahogany or Black Korina (Limba). Have you ever worked with Black Korina?

I have Miracle Men in my Korina Epi Flying V and even though that has a black gloss finish, I love the Korina + hot pickups combo, it sounds fantastic.

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2007, 01:21:59 PM »
Oh and the new "project" guitar is getting a Warpig (bridge) and MQ alnico V (neck) combo.  Should be pretty brutal...

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2007, 02:32:49 PM »
The black korina/limba comes from the same tree as the white limba/korina - although there is another tree thats wood also gets called limba that only produces the white stuff.  Its adifferent tree but the wood is identical structurally and tonally.....  anyway the point is that black and white limba sound the same.

I have used black limba for bodies a few times, its main appeal is the black (and occasionally orange) streaks that run though it.

The book take you through the danish oil method in more detail but it basically goes like this.

1.  Sand to about 400 grit

2.  Heavy coat of oil - leave for a while and buff of the excess - leave over night

3.  get some 400 grit wet and dry paper and wet-sand the guitar with the oil.  Buff of the excess and feel how smooooooth it is.

4.  Repeat this a few times going up to 800-1000 grit wet and dry paper.

5 . buff off all the gunk and leave overnight

6.  apply wax with 0000 wire wool, really rub it in then buff it off.

7.  Repeat till happy - keep going and you can get it up to quite a nice semi-gloss and you can always add more if you decide it needs it

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2007, 03:40:13 PM »
Thanks again Wez! Thats seems really straight forward!

If I used black limba and used Danish Oil + BriWax, would I need to use any sort of staining to get this sort of colour?

http://www.mykaguitars.com/instruments/028/default.htm

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2007, 04:08:22 PM »
Ted - have a look in the tutorials over at www.projectguitar.com for the assembly and finishing.  I think there an oil finish tutorial.

Myka is a member over there too, but I haven't seen him about for a while.  They're some looovely guitars.  There's a blue hollow body which I'm in love with.

The book that Wez recommends is an awesome book.  Be warned though, you'll be wanting to build it from scratch before too long  :wink:
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2007, 04:11:08 PM »
gotta love davids work!!

yeah - that has been dyed as well.  If you want that it turns a simple oil and wax into something a bit more skilled - getting an even, streak free stain is difficult

These are black limba under lacquer  with no colour added- oil would make them slightly darker but nowhere near the colour of the Myka




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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2007, 04:19:10 PM »
Cheers guys,

OK, i'm no staining expert, so I'm going to go with Mahogany, its cheaper and it will look nicer IMO with the oil/wax finish.

Maybe then I can get a really nice brazillian rosewood fretboard...

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2007, 09:07:41 AM »
Good decision making a Guitar mate, I am saving up for materials myself. I just gotta get my book back as I'm sure I lent it to a mate ages ago, heh.

Hope it goes well!

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2007, 12:07:31 PM »
Quote from: Ted

Maybe then I can get a really nice brazillian rosewood fretboard...


dont get sucked into the hype too much.  Brazilian rosewood can be very nice but other woods are just as good and can be found a lot cheaper because you are not paying for the name!!!.


I personally like ziracote as a braz rosewood substitute and i can get a very nice ziracote fretboard blank for $20

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« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2007, 06:57:47 PM »
I am not sure what neck wood to use now, the fingerboard will probably be Rosewood and I would like a nice WARM neck wood which ideally doesnt require a finish and is a nice dark brown colour. Any ideas?

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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2007, 11:44:57 AM »
wenge - very dark chocolatey brown - very open pored but feels great as an oiled/waxed neck.  I hate making stuff out of it because it seems to produce the mother of all splinters, and they sting too!!! but once its all done with it is great stuff

Any other rosewood really - it does make great necks - i just dont believe that most of the braz stuff on the market is gonna live up to the hype and even if it does there are other woods that are as good.

Bocote - sometimes called mexican rosewood it had paler orangey grain between dark black grain - i have used it a few times, feels great without a finish but not always that pretty to look at, i find it a but sickly

Ziracote - probably expensive as a neck blank but the closest to braz rw in terms of tone.  A very pretty wood and one of my favorites

Walnut might be a good choice for warmth  and feels nice under an oil finish but is softer and might dent easily

Zebrano - not strictly in your colour scheme but one of my favorites for unfinished necks


And just to top it off, a rant about Brazilian Rosewood

  When i see old braz rw guitars i see even coloured - straight grained wood.  When i see braz rw for sale i see crazy figuring and worm holes!!!
There is a legal loop hole which makes it ok to dig up the stumps of these old trees that where left behind and sell the wood from these.  some of these stumps are huge and easily produce wood big enough for guitars - but stump wood isnt structurally as good as the straight wood from the trunk - it is generally prettier though.   A lot of the Braz we see on the market now is stump wood unless you can garantee its an old stock.

If it isnt stump wood or old stock cut before the logging ban then it is illegal.  Alot of people selling it (particularly on eBay) claim its all old stock stuff and some of it probably is but some will be illegally logged

Personally i would rather not endorse illegal logging of the remaining trees by using this wood or doing anything to raise its status as the 'holy grail' of tonewoods.

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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2007, 12:17:42 PM »
cheers Wez, what about a bubinga neck wood with just a normal rosewood fingerboard? I hope this will mate well with a Black Korina body.

I've emailed Warmoth to see what they say, but essentially I'm 80% ready to put the order in... :D