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Ted

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« on: August 22, 2007, 07:57:58 AM »
I saw this and I nearly cried. What a shame.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/GIBSON-EXPLORER-RARE-HEADLESS-MODEL-READ-ON_W0QQitemZ200144538225QQihZ010QQcategoryZ33040QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

What do you think it would cost to repair?

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2007, 09:14:43 AM »
its not the easiest break to repair but still quite possible.

Thats what happens to gibsons!!!

the question is - if it can be repaired 'without too much fuss and not too expensively ' why is he wanting to sell it?

I would take it to practice my headstock re-glues if he hadnt already said he wanted at least £400 already, i dont suppose its a bad price but i am tight :wink:

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2007, 12:56:40 PM »
£400 is too much...I've seen Gibson explorers sell for £500. He reckons the repair is around £125. I wouldn't like to take that on... although it is an awesome looker.

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2007, 01:07:34 PM »
that is sad :(
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2007, 01:28:11 PM »
a clean and long headstock break might be around £125 but that one is going to be more because there is no easy glueing surface to use help stick it back together.

on a clean break you can do a simple clean up, reglue and touch up - this wouldnt be that simple.

i didnt know what price these go for but if its around the £500-600 mark then £400 is definately too much

personally if it was my guitar i would rather replace the whole neck than  reglue that headstock -  Just for long term survival and stability

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2007, 04:33:14 PM »
I wouldn't go over £300. This doesn't look like a headstock break that you can glue and pin together. The break is too straight. This thing really needs a completely new neck. Having a new neck made and fit by a luthier will cost a bit more than £125, I reckon. :lol:

But hey, you can make one yourself! And if you do, whay not make a split headstock?

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2007, 04:44:55 PM »
nah, if i was gonna go down the new neck route with a guitar like that i would save the headstock face from the old neck and reconstruct the shattered bit near the nut.

but even with a nasty break like that its still possible to get a good structural repair and save the original neck

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2007, 05:40:24 PM »
how do you fix that kind of break though :?

don't you need lots of surface area and the like?

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2007, 06:15:29 PM »
yes, thats the problem - getting enough surface area, certainly a challenge

I havnt done one that bad yet but its something i look forward to.  The way i see it i would have to remove a lot of wood from the headstock transistion on both sides then graft new wood  in its place and probably do a pin and back strap as well before recarving the transistion.  The neck would be mostly original :wink:

lots of options on how to approach it and none need to be as visually perfect as you would aim for on a guitar with a clear finish so no need to spend hours matching wood grain.

It could always be converted to a headless bridge and tuners :twisted:

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 06:43:06 PM »
When you have a headstock break like that, the guitar efectively becomes worthless - the most any sane person should risk on that guitar is £200.  It looks like a complicated repair job and you're gonna need some refin work done too.  Will the guitar ever sound right again? - dead spots?

If it was mine I'd bite the bullet and get it renecked.

If he was smart he'd claim on his house insurance  :wink:

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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2007, 07:43:23 PM »
"rocker goes one way, beautiful guitar goes the other. Sadly there were no winners in this sad spectacle only losers."

That line in the auction made me laugh.

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2007, 10:55:19 PM »
Quote from: WezV
a clean and long headstock break might be around £125 but that one is going to be more because there is no easy glueing surface to use help stick it back together.

on a clean break you can do a simple clean up, reglue and touch up - this wouldnt be that simple.

i didnt know what price these go for but if its around the £500-600 mark then £400 is definately too much

personally if it was my guitar i would rather replace the whole neck than  reglue that headstock -  Just for long term survival and stability


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that break is beyond tough to repair - more so than a typical Gibson headstock break.
The break is a short one rather than a long splintery one (which would at least give you some surfaces to glue back togetheer.

On this guitar I wouldn't try to get that headstock to go back on (and I suspect that the current owner knows how impossible it would be as well)

It really requires a new neck to be made and installed, which requires some pretty careful work digging out the old one, and maybe having the headstock face trimmed down to 0.25" and added to the front of the new headstock.
The while guitar would need refinishing too to look right , so all in all it's a tricky and expensive job.

You are buying a case and some hardware bits to be fair
Spending more than £200 would be a false economy rather than just buying an intact guitar
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2007, 12:09:04 AM »
if i could get it for £200 it might be worth it for some good practice with a more difficult neck repair but i definately aint paying £400