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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2007, 11:42:07 AM »
I thought Randy Rhoads' LP had T buckers, but was a 1964?

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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2007, 11:55:07 AM »
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I thought Randy Rhoads' LP had T buckers, but was a 1964?

I don't know what year Randy Rhoads' LP was built, but it wasn't a '64 - there were no Les Pauls built between 1960 and 1968 (except the early '60s SG-shaped Les Paul models).  I'd guess it was early '70s.
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2007, 11:55:20 AM »
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I thought T-tops came later than '65???


Although, as I mentioned, there was some overlap of dates and I have seen some claims that T buckers started in 1967, most info I have seen suggests they started in 1965.

Lot of good info at this site:  http://www.provide.net/~cfh/paf.html (includes a good picture of a 1957 Les Paul Goldtop with the PAF removed and shows the 'long' tenon neck joint )
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2007, 01:37:06 PM »
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I thought Randy Rhoads' LP had T buckers, but was a 1964?

I don't know what year Randy Rhoads' LP was built, but it wasn't a '64 - there were no Les Pauls built between 1960 and 1968 (except the early '60s SG-shaped Les Paul models).  I'd guess it was early '70s.


damn that was a stupid statement to make :oops: . I should have thought about that more. probably 74 then.

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2007, 01:56:35 PM »
More likely to be around '74.  That's when White Customs became regular production models.  A few earlier ones that exist were custom orders as black was the only standard option.

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« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2007, 01:57:22 PM »
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I thought T-tops came later than '65???


Although, as I mentioned, there was some overlap of dates and I have seen some claims that T buckers started in 1967, most info I have seen suggests they started in 1965.


Fair enough - I must have only read the '67 era arguments  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2007, 07:59:02 PM »
ok...
the question is: RIFF RAFF > all gibson  :lol:

angus said in a 1984 inetrview that he used mostly stock gibson pickups and used some english handwound humbuckers, but didn't know the guy's name (Grandpa Mills? :lol: )
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« Reply #22 on: September 03, 2007, 09:53:37 AM »
Angus' first SG was a '68, so then would mean it should have the T-tops/T-buckers.

That said, if I were going for an AC/DC sound with BKPs I'd get the Riff-Raff set.
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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2007, 09:26:07 PM »
I like AC/DC the best from "High voltage" - "For those about to rock" but
what is the Angus sound though, because he's played different SG's from different years, the guitar sound is had changed a lot going from "High Voltage" to the "For those about to rock" era.
In the begining it was a lot fuzzier and in yer face like you were in a small room sat next to his amp, but later the sound was different.
Even if he used the same amps the recording techniques changed, different studios, prodution ideas- they might go for a more dry raw in you face feel, different engineers etc, the processing of the guitar track will be different, differnt E.Q., the eq on the valve compressors, the over all processing for the master, and then the mastering process itself, everything will change the sound, and then its down to what speakers you're listening through.

Whats always there in Angus's sound though are very "loose" harmonics which rattle together as they clash and distort seperatly producing a hard edged fuzziness. He doesn't use any distortion on the amp but over drives it in two ways - he has the amps up loud and he hits the strings HARD. He really digs in with a hard plectrum which makes the strings have a high pitched harmonic squeak to them, both the volume and the hard player cause the amp to overdrive but its the POWER SECTION which really counts, not pre amp overdrive so don't  turn up the distortion on the amp, turn it down and turn the amp master volume up, and then wait for the neighbours to call the police.
Angus's left hard has got a MASSIVE fast and wide vibrato which is VERY distictive, this is as important as anything else, and more important than what the pickup is, just like most players you would know Angus straight away what ever pickup he used, or guitar and amp even just by his bent vibrato.
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2007, 05:34:35 AM »
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I like AC/DC the best from "High voltage" - "For those about to rock" but
what is the Angus sound though, because he's played different SG's from different years, the guitar sound is had changed a lot going from "High Voltage" to the "For those about to rock" era.
In the begining it was a lot fuzzier and in yer face like you were in a small room sat next to his amp, but later the sound was different.
Even if he used the same amps the recording techniques changed, different studios, prodution ideas- they might go for a more dry raw in you face feel, different engineers etc, the processing of the guitar track will be different, differnt E.Q., the eq on the valve compressors, the over all processing for the master, and then the mastering process itself, everything will change the sound, and then its down to what speakers you're listening through.

Whats always there in Angus's sound though are very "loose" harmonics which rattle together as they clash and distort seperatly producing a hard edged fuzziness. He doesn't use any distortion on the amp but over drives it in two ways - he has the amps up loud and he hits the strings HARD. He really digs in with a hard plectrum which makes the strings have a high pitched harmonic squeak to them, both the volume and the hard player cause the amp to overdrive but its the POWER SECTION which really counts, not pre amp overdrive so don't  turn up the distortion on the amp, turn it down and turn the amp master volume up, and then wait for the neighbours to call the police.
Angus's left hard has got a MASSIVE fast and wide vibrato which is VERY distictive, this is as important as anything else, and more important than what the pickup is, just like most players you would know Angus straight away what ever pickup he used, or guitar and amp even just by his bent vibrato.


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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2007, 08:56:31 AM »
Yep, totally agree with that too.  Although a cranked JTM45 and an SG will always get you in the ballpark of all Angus tones.