Author Topic: Tiny Terror ... again (Read 4764 times)

sgmypod · « **Reply #15 on:** September 25, 2007, 12:36:01 PM »

yeah keep looking at them..but then...I go back to prosonic have a play and then think no...by the way anyone used weber attenuators

LazyNinja · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2007, 12:55:56 PM »

Quote from: Twinfan

Quote from: Brow
As for an amp that when cranked is no louder than the TV etc, has anyone tried the ZVex Nano head?

Nope, but I feel the need to sometime. However, I'll end up buying one I know :roll:

I bought one off ebay a while ago, I hated it and just sold it after a month. It was really boxy sounding and I found it impossible to get a good sustain without the help of an overdrive in front. Not at all juicy as advertised. When you turn it above 60-70% on the volume (just as it starts to overdrive a bit) with fat/sunny setting it would be above what you would consider a bedroom volume (a loud one at that, way louder than a TV). I tried it with a 4x12 with Seventy 80s, a Jensen C12N in the Fender HRD I had, and Genz Benz G Flex.

Dave, stick with your Laneys and Marshalls coz you'll end up using the Zvex as a book stand or something

Brow · « **Reply #17 on:** September 25, 2007, 01:07:47 PM »

Quote from: sgmypod

by the way anyone used weber attenuators

I have 1 of the older model 100w Weber Mass units.

It's the model with the line out and Full EQ Control (only for the line out). I used it on my bands 1st album so that I could get my OD/Crunch naturally from a 50w Plexi head.

I tend to use it mainly with my twin channel 100w JCM800 head when I wanna get a good sound at anything less than building destructing volume levels :roll:

I'm also considering starting to use it more live with my Carlsbro 50-Top 50w head.

sgmypod · « **Reply #18 on:** September 25, 2007, 01:09:43 PM »

cool may have to try one to tame my amp...even with the switch to turn down to 15watts..will take out walls...but I love it

Philly Q · « **Reply #19 on:** September 25, 2007, 01:09:48 PM »

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As for an amp that when cranked is no louder than the TV etc, has anyone tried the ZVex Nano head?

I'd love one, but at £300+ I think it's really expensive for what it is. And I'd still need to buy a cab.

I was watching/listening to the Suhr Badger demos last night - sounds fantastic, but £1,200...

There's also the Cornell Plexi 7, a 10" combo with a 1/4-watt mode. That's my most likely option, but again it's not exactly cheap at £645.

Twinfan · « **Reply #20 on:** September 25, 2007, 01:23:18 PM »

You need to have a chat with my amp guy Phil. You find the schematic (if he hasn't already got it) and he'll build you what you want. Anything Marshall-y is second nature to him...

Kilby · « **Reply #21 on:** September 25, 2007, 03:36:45 PM »

Hmm, I have to say that the above description dosn't really cover the nanohead that I have.

It's certainly got the plexy type tones with the right settings, and turned down can do fender/vox ish tones

Turned up full through a 1x10 or 1x12 it's louder than my 2 kids arguing.

There are a couple of settings that cause huge volume drops though.

At 210 (slightly used) it's the best money I have spent on any amp.

Dakine could shed a little more light (as could Blue) as they also have them but have spent a lot more time playing them.

PhilKing · « **Reply #22 on:** September 25, 2007, 05:54:05 PM »

I spent a lot of time (and money) trying to get a 'marshall stack' tone at apartment levels. I had John McIntyre make me several low power amps, starting with a stereo 5 watt, and then 2 versions of stereo 3 watts (the prototype became the Lexicon Signature 284).

One thing that makes an incredible difference that I haven't seen mentioned here is the efficiency of the speaker that is being used. Going from the least efficient but commonly used 12" to the most efficient (and still common), there is a difference of almost 10dB. This is like going from a 5 watt amp to a 50 watt. If you want to drive a low power amp to get a good sound at lower volumes, get the least efficient speaker you can find. The caviat to this is that you do need to have some power to drive it! My Minimat sounds prettygood through the 20watt G12M heritage, which has only a 93dB efficiency, but using a Blue Tick Hound (99db efficiency), gives it more guts.

There is also the interaction of the guitar with the speaker, which only happens with sufficient volume to create a feedback loop (unless you are using a pedal).

I have started to think that it is cheaper to buy everyone else earplugs that to get a good low volume tone!!

Philly Q · « **Reply #23 on:** September 25, 2007, 06:43:27 PM »

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I have started to think that it is cheaper to buy everyone else earplugs that to get a good low volume tone!!

But it would be such a pain to go round knocking on doors or phoning to tell them every time they needed to put their earplugs in... maybe you could use a (fairly quiet) warning siren or a system of coloured lights.

It must be better to have a low-wattage amp running at full tilt than a high-wattage amp running at, basically, no tilt.

With apologies to Robert Fripp for the plagiarism, I'm going to start a League Of Very Quiet Guitarists.

(And seriously, thanks for the tip about speaker efficiency, Phil)

dave_mc · « **Reply #24 on:** September 25, 2007, 06:50:37 PM »

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It must be better to have a low-wattage amp running at full tilt than a high-wattage amp running at, basically, no tilt.

depends what you want to play, i'd have said. i know for hard rock and metal, i'd take my engl at no tilt over my epi valve junior cranked up (obviously that's an extreme though)... EDIT: plus to get to the level where my engl (and most modern high-ish gainers) starts sounding good, it's quieter than my valve junior cranked up full too...