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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2007, 05:24:34 PM »
sadly it is true, .  i was there in May the QC has jumped up. but they are pretty much mass produced and hand made.
some room for error is expected,
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2007, 12:45:20 AM »
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Gibson started chambering in about september of 06 the stuff rattling around is a bit of wood pushed into the cavity of the guitar from the end pin, this problem was fixed on all the new ones

From 'The Guitar Dater Project' about LP Studio:

Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
March 1st, 2006
Production Number: 132

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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2007, 02:35:26 AM »
check the bolts around the pots they become loose and rattle
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2007, 07:12:15 AM »
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check the bolts around the pots they become loose and rattle


oh yeah, check every single moving part - blutac can come in very handy for a speedy diagnosis.

Bridges, tuners and trussrods are also often culprits for sympathetic vibration  - the last one is a pain to fix though

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2007, 08:54:11 AM »
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I always read the chambered LP Standard Faded's have great resonance with great acoustic sound.


Yes thats the first thing that hit me when I played my ex Faded Paul.

But I just could not get on with it though so I sold the bar-steward, even after BKP'ing it and a fret dress & set up.

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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2007, 11:00:05 AM »
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Yes thats the first thing that hit me when I played my ex Faded Paul.

But I just could not get on with it though so I sold the bar-steward, even after BKP'ing it and a fret dress & set up.


Why couldn't you get on with it?

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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2007, 02:21:44 PM »
I dunno, I cannot pinpoint it but it just did not feel right to me.

When you play a nice guitar sometimes you get carried away in the moment and the instrument almost becomes an extension of you and you forget its there. Sounds corny and cliched but there ya go..!

Then I picked up a really nice Tokai LP which kicked the Gibbo's arse. Better made, lighter, more comfortable, nicer fretboard.

I sold the Gibson and because of the name I made money on it...paying for the Tokai and most of the parts for my Warmoth SG.

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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2007, 02:49:13 PM »
I know what you mean  :) 
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« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2007, 03:14:02 PM »
I've read that the weight relief thing has been going on for years, maybe late 90's. And with the newer ones apparently they're all done. Check Harmony Central. I saw a big thread on this somewhere, just can't recall where. I think what pissed people off about this was that Gibson didn't make it common knowledge. People found out about it on their own and started asking questions, and Gibson started with the excuses.
Here's one quote from Gibson on HC

"The weight relief pattern has changed for 2007. We have modified the original Swiss cheese hole pattern to something that has a purpose other than to lighten up the guitar. Originally, the holes were cut in a pattern that maximized the available space and did not take into consideration tone, balance, and sustain. So, we felt that a scientific approach was best if we were to change the pattern. We knew that we could now measure frequency output of the guitar and also determine positive or negative effects of any changes to the internal routing. So, we initially approached the project from the perspective of just improving the placement of the original holes. As we began testing, we noticed that when we moved the holes closer together, sound and sustain improved. We then decided to try moving the holes so close together that they actually created one big hole instead of several small ones. The area volume was the same but the improvement of sustain and output was greater. This drove us to start playing with the actual shape and size of a single large chamber and then to multiple chambers, strategically placed inside the guitar. We couldn’t do much with the control pockets and pickup pockets so we decided to focus on all of the mass and area around those routings. After several months of testing, the current sonic tuning pattern emerged. This pattern works in all Les Pauls and gives us a much better sounding instrument, sustain is improved, and as an added benefit, weight has been reduced by 20%-30%. Sustain can be improved two ways; by creating rigidity and by sound reverberation. While reducing weight further wasn’t our goal, it definitely should be received as a positive side affect to our real goal; giving reason to our original weight relief pattern of holes.


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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2007, 03:31:50 PM »
so they are making up loads of BS about sustain!!  i get annoyed with the number of times sustain is used to justify stuff - how much sustain does a LP need!!!

It will sound different, not always a bad thing but if they are really being scientific it would be nice to see some data on frequency response rather than just saying it increases sustain.

I have no problem with the weight relieve techniques and they can be used to shape the tone of a guitar but there answer is a bit vague

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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2007, 03:38:19 PM »
Here's another one I got of the Gibson forum. The guy sent in  a question about his guitar and the "swiss cheese" relief holes.

Hi Michael,
 
Gibson USA began this ca. 1982. The Les Paul Classic has always had the weight relief holes since it was introduced ca.1989. Thank you for the inquiry.
 
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2007, 03:54:52 PM »
So judging by that long passage above, all new LPs have those huge chambers like the BFG?  

It's not a solidbody guitar at all, you might as well put f-holes in there and have done with it.
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2007, 03:56:33 PM »
yep thats how they do it now,
 i got some pics of the machine that does it let me find em
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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2007, 04:08:15 PM »
This is just another reason I'll be getting mine from Feline.  :wink:
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« Reply #29 on: October 09, 2007, 04:12:02 PM »
Very Interesting stuff guys.

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